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To think this is just not acceptable (NHS related)

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maryeliza54 Thu 08-Nov-18 13:33:44

British woman of 50 with three grown up children and several grandchildren goes to Cyprus for IVF. Comes home and has quads all delivered and( currently) in SCBU ( costs well over £1000 pd per baby) all on NHS. Sarah M on World at One described story as heartwarming - I am speechless.

TerriBull Thu 08-Nov-18 19:47:40

Selfish and others have said self indulgent. The babies have to be looked after and to quote the old adage "no one asks to be born" and to quote another "be careful what you wish for". Can't think of anything worse 4 teenagers and coping with the excesses of the menopause and all the other delights one experiences as an older woman, she's welcome to it. Surely she could have been happy with her grandchildren who wants to go through the whole gamut of babies through to the teens first hand again with half the energy you had when you were doing it as a younger mother shock

Missfoodlove Thu 08-Nov-18 19:43:44

It’s all about entitlement.
So many people just expect the state to provide, whether it’s NHS care, a larger council house etc etc.
How many people 60, 70 years ago would dearly loved to have had more children but were too frightened of the financial burden?
It a just do it mentality now and the state, ie you and me will pick up the tab.

SueDonim Thu 08-Nov-18 19:37:13

which would

SueDonim Thu 08-Nov-18 19:36:26

It's not a heartwarming story, it's an example of someone who only thinks of themselves. Obviously the little ones must be looked after now they're here but it's a bitter pill to swallow for someone like my friend whose husband is very ill. He has been denied an alternative treatment for his illness because of the cost. The irony is, if he could try the treatment, it might mean he could be discharged from hospital would save the NHS a shed load of money!

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 19:30:59

No, the NHS has no cho8ice at all.

It is not heart-warming at all, it's selfish, mind-boggling and rather odd in fact.

lemongrove Thu 08-Nov-18 19:25:36

It’s certainly not a ‘heart warming’ story at all. After bringing up her children why on earth start again at that age?
Now she has four! I think it may be a case of act in haste, repent at leisure. The NHS has no choice in the matter of her support, and for the babies of course.

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 19:01:27

Why would you ????

Telly Thu 08-Nov-18 18:55:52

There are too many of us on the planet already. This lady has children and grandchildren. Surely there has to be a limit? The cost to the NHS does not bear thinking about, 30 staff during the delivery alone.
Just like to point out that NHS is not free. It is free at point of delivery. We all pay, well most of us.

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 18:10:33

When I've been to Australia I've immediately signed up with medicash----just in case. Nothing free there !
EllanVannin Australia and the UK have a reciprocal arrangement re healthcare which I presume is for emergency care only.
Both DH and I have had free A&E treatment there but anything else eg a routine checkup or GP visit would have to be paid for I think, then reclaimed on your travel insurance.

EllanVannin Thu 08-Nov-18 18:03:56

Teenage children when you're in your 60's.No thanks !
The woman will be worn out.

BP21 Thu 08-Nov-18 18:00:35

It shouldn't have been allowed to happen in the first place, or maybe if Cyprus rules let her go ahead, they should pay for the upkeep instead of UK, just a thought that's all.

BP21 Thu 08-Nov-18 17:57:50

I am too....but then I am speechless over many things in this country now, it's not what it used to be and never will be again I suspect.

MissAdventure Thu 08-Nov-18 17:53:03

I think its incredibly selfish, too.

sodapop Thu 08-Nov-18 17:43:04

I think this woman is totally selfish. Considering she already had a family why does she feel the need to reproduce at 50. The menopause occurs for a reason, it tells us we are too old to care for babies. Of course the NHS had to step in as it does when cosmetic surgery performed abroad goes wrong. The babies should not suffer for their parents selfishness.
I agree that just because we can does not mean we should.

kittylester Thu 08-Nov-18 17:37:10

And, there are babies who are available for adoption but are being ignored because of women choosing IVF.

NHS, at least in our area, is not available to women over 35 (unless it is very straightforward) my beautician has endometriosis and has been denied it. She is currently partnerless but has borrowed money to fund IVF with a donor - American because we don't have enough - but will then rely, at least partly, on the state for support.

The silly woman who has had quads must have cost the NHS loads for the birth before any on going costs. She could have become a foster carer, adopted or waited for grandchildren!!

Nonnie Thu 08-Nov-18 17:32:21

River I think the difference is that the BBC would not suggest there was anything good about obesity, smoking, drunkenness etc. although I didn't think they did show approval, just stated the facts.

Bridgeit Thu 08-Nov-18 16:39:02

I think it’s acceptable, along with some other available procedures but not on the NHS

M0nica Thu 08-Nov-18 16:31:26

For some people, sadly, an unwelcome gift.

Billybob4491 Thu 08-Nov-18 16:29:26

Yes I also think she is selfish, but every child is a gift I hope they continue to thrive.

felice Thu 08-Nov-18 15:53:19

I think she is being selfish, SIL is 51 now and DGS really tires him out, but then again I did not have the menopause until i was 54 so could have had a child until I was 50.
My personal idea of hell but it could have happened.

Buffybee Thu 08-Nov-18 15:41:31

I agree that the woman and the babies should be cared for by the Nhs, as people have said, what else can they do.
But, I think that what the woman has done is ridiculous and self
indulgent.
She should not be feted by the BBC at all.

maryeliza54 Thu 08-Nov-18 15:40:43

Firstly River not everyone who is obese or has substance abuse problems is to ‘blame ‘ for their health problems - it’s often much more complex than that. And if you feel like that what about those who injure themselves in dangerous sports and a whole raft of other leisure activities freely chosen? Just regular running can lead to all sorts of joint problems. As for the BBC I would have liked them not to have covered it at all but if they did to put it into the context of the IVF guidelines in this country including especially not transferring more than one embryo and never 4 even privately.

Riverwalk Thu 08-Nov-18 15:18:21

But I am exercised that she can make those choices and receive all the care after the IVF on the NHS

Maryeliza but she is no different from those who choose to not address their obesity or stop smoking - I'm sure they cost the NHS way more than the odd self-indulgent 50-something who has IVF.

And what about all the drunks who take up enormous amounts of NHS time and resources late at night and, into the bargain assault the staff - can't be many IVF mothers who attack First Responders and A&E staff.

And those who choose to continue to smoke?

How would you like the BBC to present her?

M0nica Thu 08-Nov-18 15:13:20

With the damage being done to this planet by over-population (the main cause of global warning), that someone could be so selfish as to bring more children into the world, when the production of those children is contributing to population growth and further world wide environmental degradation, not to mention making the world they will live in worse, shows just how selfish some people are. By having three children she has already exceeding the population replacement rate for her and her husband

I would limit all child benefit to two children per family, unless the second birth is a multiple birth. These children should, of course be cared for now they are here, get education, medical care and everything else - eventually pensions etc, but no child benefit.

maryeliza54 Thu 08-Nov-18 14:55:20

Riverwalk I’m not exercised about her reproductive choices per se ( I think that’s a different discussion). But I am exercised that she can make those choices and receive all the care after the IVF on the NHS and for the BBC to present it in a totally positive way.