Retirees bombarding our beautiful rural seaside area

Nonnie typical of Londoners......... hmmm judgemental I'd say! I have lived in a flat, so don't make assumptions. You said he's lived in London all his life and NEVER met his neighbours. My point was why doesn't he knock next door and introduce himself. Does he never meet a neighbour in the lift, on the stairs? All it takes is a smile and hello. OK not everyone will respond but most people like to be pleasant. It's a two way thing, you can't blame others if you don't make the effort yourself. My last neighbours that moved said they wanted to take us with them as they had enjoyed our help and company, so we can't be that bad lol

Nonnie Leicester steel??. Hosiery manufacturers? yes.
Steel then look no further than Corby which if I am not mistaken is in Northamptonshire.

I love going to the north of Scotland where I generally encounter a lot of folk from the south of England who have moved up and created small businesses eg in many different crafts, foodstuffs, tearooms. They are generally very pleasant, keen to chat. Of course many other nationalities move there too but not many retirees though I am sure they would be welcome. Think the distance from communities and health care may be the biggest issue for them.

In answer to your question nonnie asking "Is it typical of Londoners to judge people they know nothing about?". Well of course it isn't. In fact I think that's a really offensive thing to say about Londoners . There is no such thing as a 'typical Londoner'.........we are all individuals and just because one person from London has upset you wish to lump us all together. I will not continue this post in case I say something I will regret ...............

It takes two to tango, surely. Incomers have to respect the local communities and try and understand how it ticks and know when to butt out.

Must say I have always been made to feel welcome- anywhere we have lived, despite being even more obviously an 'outsider'- and OH has been welcomed with open arms in our rural community here. I think you own attitude will make a huge difference.

I understand your feelings about richer retirees buying properties at higher prices than local people can afford. It seems to be happening everywhere, even here in London!
However here it’s in reverse, a lot of houses are being bought by well paid younger professionals 30’s to 40’s who have been left a fair amount by deceased (wait for it!) Grandparents.This generally only covers a deposit.
Local younger people are unable unable to buy or rent in London are moving out great distances & travelling in.
The whole housing system in Britain is a nightmare
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ickle that’s one of the nastiest comment I ve ever read on here

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Sorry can't find this through all these pages, but has OP come back to the thread to reveal where she lives?

I have only read the first couple of pages or so of this thread so hope my comments aren't too similar to those of other posters.

I do understand why people get upset when they see their younger relatives and friends being unable to live in the area in which they grew up because prices have risen. However, prices rise anywhere where people see they will be more able to afford to move out to and live in.

The same thing has happened where I live in London. We bought in this area because, moving back to the south east from the north west after my husband obtained a new job in central London, it was virtually the only place we could afford in the London area. We have eventually benefitted because we bought relatively cheaply for the area (though not for us) and our house is now quite valuable. That's good news for us and all the, mostly older, people who did the same and have paid off their mortgages. The cheapness of the area has, though, over the years attracted more and more people from areas nearer the centre of London like Hackney (which is now very trendy and expensive) and, consequently, has substantially pushed up prices here. It has also brought in more money for better local amenities - new sports centres, upmarket bars and shops, etc. That's good news for us and all the, mostly older, people who did the same and have paid off their mortgages. However, younger people on low or even average wages - unless they get significant family assistance - can't afford to buy here now, and can hardly afford to rent either. So they move to the outer edges of London or even to a completely different area. Some friends of ours who work for charities, although in their 40's did not have a high enough income to buy in this area, although they'd saved a substantial deposit. They have since moved back to where they were brought up - in the Midlands. No doubt, others are moving out to similarly more reasonably priced areas, and are gradually pushing up the prices there too.

I do understand why second homes are frowned upon in small, sought after communities but surely actually living in an area is different. My Mum lives in a small village in East Anglia. We moved from outer London when I was in my teens - and we weren't particularly welcomed by the locals. But, despite a small estate and larger homes at the edges of the village being built some 30 or so years ago, many of the amenities are now disappearing. Only one pub, when there used to be three, a not very good bus service and no buses on Sunday, one very small village shop with only the very basics in stock, a butcher and a post office, the future of which is in doubt, and a comprehensive school in the next village which has in the past been reported to be near closure. Plans for another smallish estate at the other edge of the village were strongly opposed, some years ago, as was a proposal for a nearby country visitor centre, which would have provided some local jobs. Yet people complain about the lack of investment in the village, disappearing amenities, etc. They can't have it both ways.

When people talk about their "indigenous communities" or, like a taxi driver I spoke to who referred to "London rubbish" moving into the area he had moved to from London (the hypocrisy!), I agree with Anja that no wonder people from further afield are disliked when people from this country are also not welcomed when they move to a new area.

Iwonder if those people who are so opposed to properties being sold to "incomers" would put their money where their mouths are if they wanted to, or had to, move away. Would they turn down a quick sale and possibly an inflated price and only agree to sell to a local? If not, they are hypocrites.

Yes, there are good and bad "newbies" - but there are also good and bad "oldies". And whether they be old or new residents, they are all subject to market fluctuations caused by issues outside their control.

In the past there were massive movements of people and resettlement of areas far away from their birthplaces.

People left their villages where they worked the land as they were starving and faced the workhouse or relocation to areas where they could find employment, e.g. in the mines of the NE, the cotton mills of Lancashire or emigrated to where they could build new lives for themselves and their families.

Their descendants may now consider their rural/seaside idylls their rightfully inherited place in this land. Their families may be critical of others wanting to relocate to somewhere to enjoy and treasure in their later years. If I returned to the pretty village my family left to avoid starvation in Norfolk, would I be made welcome or treated as a retiree intruder?

I sympathise. My immediate area is made up of mixed housing and is close to a Russell Group university. It is overwhelmed by HMOs (houses of multiple occupancy) which has completely changed our community. DH and are fortunate, we have owner occupiers close to us and behind us but others are not so fortunate. Student parties, taxis coming and going through the night with banging of taxi doors, many of the students bring cars so a house with several cars causes considerable parking problems with degraded grass verges from parked cars, staff and students coming to university on a daily basis treat our area as a free car park in spite of the student bus being subsidised, wheelie bins and recycling boxes in the front gardens many of which are untidy or paved over for parking, litter, a transient population, builders busy in the summer vacation so noise and dirt. We all used to know each other and looked out for each other, now it's changed for the worse. The students have no interest in or concern for the area which used to be so well cared for. It's sad. And of course in the vacations the houses are empty, such a waste of good housing stock.

I’ve always moved around the U.K., so I can’t really say I’ve come from anywhere. Born and bred in Ealing, I’ve lived in Surrey, Teesside, Troon, Lanark and Nottinghamshire. I lived in Nottinghamshire for 20 years in a rural hamlet and absolutely hated it. We had no shop, no public transport to speak of and the nearest town was 10 miles away. When I retired 18 months ago, I was determined to move again and moved toEdinburgh. I must say it’s the best move I’ve done and absolutely love it. I really can’t understand anyone wanting to live in the middle of nowhere when they retire.

Also - during the term time we are inundated with flyers for take-ways, of which there are about half a dozen all together in a row and open into the early hours. One applied for a drinks licence until 5am - not sure if it was granted.

Wow this really has caused a lively debate.

I'd like to think most people would get along just fine if we weren't blinkered by the media as to the real problems. It's not the average person causing the most change to our communities, it's poor management of the communities and resources by local and central government.

I remember turning up at my son's student house when he was at university, he and housemates all thought they were oh so green and even voted Green. However, the state of their MO told a different story, so much of their household waste, mainly comprising of empty bottles and tinnies, just wasn't recycled dumped outside the front door. My son had half the Amazon jungle in pizza boxes under his bed, just why He told me the neighbours don't like us, "I wonder why says I". I sympathise with anyone who lives next door to students, I'm sure there are exceptions but I think quite a lot give little consideration to their neighbours and environment around them even though the environment particularly is supposed to be something they care about.

Can I just clarify for the likes of ickle a migrant, a refugee, an asylum seeker and an immigrant are not the same thing at all.

Do people remember, years ago, there was a spate of houses being burned in Wales, which belonged to holiday makers?

I imagine they had exactly the same concerns, hich I think are valid. I feel very sorry for locals if they are priced out of the homes market by people from outside using a home as a second base, a few times a year.

If people choose to retire and live in an area I can't see any problem as long as they are putting their money into local shops, restaurants, pubs, transport etc. I'd imagine people using things keeps them going, keeps them open?

If OP you are saying only homes for sale should go to locals - well, why don't they buy them? Because the prices are too high? That isn't the pensioners problem though, is it? Affordable housing is something your local council should address.

Incomers can help an economy to thrive.

Personally I'd hope people moving into a new area would get involved and attempt to become part of a community.

Unfortunately OP, I think you may live in Royston Veasey, where the local shop (and everything else) is for local people only.

I would like the poster further up the thread who suggests we spruce up our northern industrial towns to come and see what they actually look like.
There are certain areas of our town that are virtually no go areas. Some areas certainly do not take care of their houses. The windows are dirty, curtains are cloth just stretched across the window. The back alleys have rubbish just dumped in them. The pavement outside there hose is never swept. And the litter is horrendous.
As for our wondrous council and their attitude towards building new houses, it is absolutely unbelievable. There is a piece of land not far from where I live, and there is a derelict mill on it, there are builders who are interested in building on it, but firstly the council wanted them to keep part of the chimney. Then they said that the mill was built on top of an old work house and that was of archeological interest.Who the hell cares about that! I remember when the older people of the town wouldn't go into the local hospital because that used to be work house, and that's where you went to die.
There are brownfield sites but they tend to be in the cheaper areas where there are a high proportion people whose homes are very neglected, and a lot of people won't buy in those areas.
It is an extremely difficult problem.

Thank goodness we still have freedom of choice! Some comments expressed here made me feel literally sick. I feel sorry for the unsuspecting retirees who dare to move to some of your areas .......

Then again ...... look on the plus side ....... gives you something to complain about ......

We live in the middle of the Northumberland National Park, the park puts a covenant on all new homes built stating that it can’t be a second home and you must either work or belong Northumberland. Some of the previous council houses have the same rules. Whilst it means we are not inundated with ‘outsiders’ it makes it difficult for those who would like to move away from the area as they are limited who they can sell to

* Jaqui* I don’t think it is quite like that.
It is just that the new homes must be lived in permanently, and it only applies where there are already 20% of the homes already not permanently occupied. Also it’s the County Council’s policy as part of their Local Plan, nothing to do with the National Park.
So there is nothing to stop someone retiring to Northumberland, as long as the Northumberland home is their principal residence. They don’t have to have previous ties with the county. It’s true that when they sell, the property can’t be sold as a second home though.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/second-homes-battle-goes-county-wide-1-9190069/amp

Salcombe is a lovely town in a particularly beautiful part of South Devon, South Hams, I believe there are a lot of second homers there who patronise the town in the summer, well that was what we were told when we were there a few years ago. Come winter it's a different story one of the locals told us.

It's the attitude they bring.

Read your eighteenth and nineteenth century novels. It was always the case that young people had to leave for the big city to make their money. They would then return to buy in their village.

The school fate story is awful. That would really bother me