AIBU to mention scrotum-waxing?

Those were Faye's words, which I quoted, Elegran.
(You have put it much better than I did.)

I never tried to 'talk my daughter into wearing a dress'.
She wore the clothes she wanted to and I didn't tell her that any of them were 'girl' or 'boy' clothes.
If I had done that, she might have felt she must be a boy because of what she liked to wear (and her interests).
It amazes me that adults set so much store on clothes and hairstyles.

Far North's exact words were " her mother was very against her young daughter who insisted . . ." still sounds to me as though the mother would have caused distress to her young daughter by being against her. If the mother had not put so much importance on the outward trappings of dress, perhaps the child would not have felt that she had to completely join the boys to be herself. Clothes are interchangable, bodies are not.

Dress, occupation, interests are not the sole property of one sex or another. Far North of course clothes are not the sole property of one sex or another.

It wasn’t the child feeling distress, she was insistent that she wore the same clothes as the other boys. It was the mother who was cross that she could not talk her five year old daughter into wearing a dress.

One such child was a five year old girl and her mother was very against her young daughter who insisted on dressing as a boy.

And wanting to 'dress as a boy' meant she was really a male?

Dress, occupations, interests are not the sole property of one sex or the other.

If that girl was able to dress as she liked without being told "Those are boy clothes." And likewise with her toys, hobbies etc perhaps she would not have felt any distress.

I have read a lot of the MN feminist forums and it does appear that the UK is following in Canada’s footsteps. West Yorkshire police have spoken and detained women for misgendering trans women on forums. According to this article a MNetter was detained for seven hours for this “hate crime.” also a mumsnet thread about the West Yorkshire police force. It seems to me bizarre and very worrying that a man can self identify as a woman, especially with a fully intact penis.

I am very aware that people can feel they are trapped in the wrong body. I have seen this with children. One such child was a five year old girl and her mother was very against her young daughter who insisted on dressing as a boy.

I believe the sexes range from straight male and female to different levels in between. I think if people were accepted as they are and not encouraged to be only one sex or the other.

It’s gone too far and women and girls are the losers, being expected to share toilets, change rooms and even their sporting events with men. Young women in the US are losing out on college scholarships because men are competing in sporting events that women have no hope of winning against men.

Women can’t even get equal wages but are expected to give up being female. It’s wrong!

"It isn't for us to make someone elses choices for them." including who to accept into their homes when they are alone.

It looks very much as though the person (who only sometimes ID'd as female) who booked these appointments to have a scrotum waxed was more interested in NOT having it waxed, so that those who were not prepared to try the delicate waxing could be sued.

The appointments were not made with beauticians who made a point of saying that they performed that treatment (and therefore were expert and experienced at it, and would be expected to do a good job) but with inexperienced operators, working alone in their own homes, where the danger to them of exploitation by entire males looking only for a thrill at their hands could not be protected against. If they were so anxious to have dehaired testicles, why did they not seek out someone who specialised? They sought out instead vulnerable women working alone, who could be either bullied into acquiescing or sued for profit - and they did it not once (by mistake?) but repeatedly (a nice little earner? The equivalent of blackmail?)

People who suffer fear, pain and bullying for being trapped in the wrong body deserve, and receive, understanding and sympathy, but if they cannot understand that causing others fear and perfectly natural misgivings for their own safety, then they have turned into the very bulies that threatened them.

Its for us to decide whether we want to wax their boll***s though!

It is a biological fact that some people have scrotums. It isn't a biological fact that possessing a scrotum makes someone a man. Male yes, man no. I'm a teacher and have over the years taught a fair number of students who were convinced they were the opposite sex. I've taught some who didn't know and maybe hovered in the middle.

It isn't for us to make someone elses choices for them. Or to make pronouncements about what someone else is or isn't.

Gagajo is this the point you were replying to -
if you have a penis you can identify as whatever you like - but you are not a flipping woman!!!!!?

It's biological fact, that's all.
(Of course, there are a minute number of intersex people. They are not the ones making a fuss about this.)

Yes, you would think a scrotum-haver would want someone who knows what they're doing to attend to them.

It's almost as if JY is out to cause trouble for those women, isn't it. And the Canadian courts are taking him seriously!

GrannyGravy13, that may well be your opinion, but it shows a wilful lack of understanding of trans issues. Not to mention lack of compassion.

As to the issue under discussion, surely anyone with a scrotum would prefer their waxing is done by someone skilled at the job, and not have a waxing technician legally coerced into it against their will? It's a very intimate area.

“None of this is about transphobia. It is about men and it is about women having the right to say no to men. To not be gaslighted and bullied for daring to consider their own safety, rights, and feelings first."

www.feministcurrent.com/2019/07/18/women-warned-you-yanivs-human-rights-tribunal-case-is-natural-result-of-gender-identity-ideology/

In case that link doesn't work :

youtu.be/TXhp9iP101c

Here is a video of an interview with Yaniv.
He has also been refused facials and arm-waxing because the women's religious beliefs prohibit them from touching any part of a man who is not their husband.
It's clear that Yaniv believes women should not be able to refuse services to him, for that reason.

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For your info GabriellaG54, as OP of this thread I didn't mind Tedber's post and I didn't report it.
It was, however, completely irrelevant and didn't give any opinion on the topic.
It went something like - "I haven't looked at the link given but here's a slightly smutty anecdote from my life."
You have continued Tedber's theme by commenting about a post that you can't see and by completely ignoring the topic.

As I said to Tedber, GabriellaG54 do you have any views on the actual topic?

I'm not sure how 'shelved' it is in Scotland, Elegran.
The claim is that there will be further consultation.
Possibly constitutional events may push it aside a bit.

Tedber
I agree with your recent post on 19/07 @ 20.37 but your deleted post was one I missed.
I do believe that some people have a long way to fall and I hope it's a soft landing.
10-1 there will be someone who will say it's entirely expected that I would agree about their previous lives being blemish free... but do I really care? Absolutely not.
The vein in which we can voice our opinions grows ever narrower, like a strangulation, stifling the life-blood of debate and conversation in robust language.
There will always be the delicate constitution of others to to consider.
I wish we had semaphore flags in emojis.
Maybe Morse code...?

Rudd’s a bit too ‘woke’ for my liking

Now that Penny Mordaunt's gone, I wonder how Amber Rudd will approach this issue? She's already being harassed by transactivists.

It seems the proposal to introduce this in Scotland has been shelved for the time being.

The consultation asked for views on how often a declaration could be made or un-made. It wasn't a firm proposal.
Some respondents said it should be as many times as a person wanted.

The proposed legal declaration is often mentioned as a deterrent to fraud or nefarious intent.
It is nothing of the kind.

Suppose a legally declared transwoman is convicted of rapes and/or other sexual crimes against women.
It couldn't be proved that that person did not genuinely believe, at the time of the declaration and afterwards, that they were a woman with (previously believed to be) male tackle.

It seems that he only sometimes self IDs and claims to be a woman. I wonder what he does with his tackle in between - stores it in the fridge and re-attaches is when he self IDs back again?

By the way - in the (excellent) explanation of self ID which I read in the Scottish consultation document, it was made clear that IDing was to be done in an legal declaration, and could only be done once per person, with one reversal back to the original gender if they changd their mind. 'There was also a set "cooling off period" just after the declaration, for those who had rushed into it ba' heidit in haste, or perhaps in drink.

I'm quite sure they weren't offering scrotum waxing, but probably something like 'intimate waxing for women'.

However Yaniv claims to be a woman who just happens to have a penis & testicles.

It sounds like a good idea to offer 'labia waxing' but some transwomen with male tackle could then choose to say that they do have labia - just slightly unusual looking ones.

Here is a link to Jess Bradley taking part in the Vagina Monologues with his poem 'My Impossible Vagina'.

It ends thus:

"Maybe my vagina looks like a penis
And maybe that's okay
For now
At least"

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9avBQiO6WBA

Jess Bradley was a leading transactivist.
He has been not much heard of since he was suspended from his post as Trans Officer of the National Union of Students, for exposing his penis/vagina in public places and putting pictures of that online in his publicly accessible blog.

I don't think the beauticians he targeted were offering scrotum waxing specifically, just intimate waxing for what they assumed were women. Maybe they need to be more specific and put "labia waxing" on the menus, then they can logically argue that a scrotum is not labia.

I am with you in being amazed that anyone except a masochist woud want those areas waxed, male or female, but especially male sorry, he claims to be female, I should have said "anyone with a scrotum".