Harry and Meghan

Smileless, Andrew & Sarah, Anne & Mark, Diana and Charles had joint custody of their children.

I do know (fact) that summer Diana died she wanted to take her sons to America for a holiday to an American she was seeing, she was not allowed to take them because of security issues. She then took them to Fayad’s for a holiday.

If there was to be a divorce would Megan not want to live in
America ?

Don't think I'd be taking relationship advice from Phil.

I am dismayed by so much unbridled lack of empathy.

Would she be able to Annie? GGC of the Queen, GC of the next King and nephew to the man who will one day be King.

Would security be required? Who would pay for it? I thought about that when wondering if they'd settle abroad as a family.

Did they?
Who was present when they did?
A Gransnet member?

Apart from anything else, their 'poor me' wail was just so ill-timed.

They were on an official visit to Africa, representing the Queen, and that should have been their main focus, but it turned out to be all about them and their supposed woes didn't it?

They might just as well have said "well yes you in Africa have many problems, but WE are the ones who are really suffering as the wicked tabloid press back home have dared to criticise our behaviour ."

Oh dear Harry. What has become of you? Isn't it a pity William and Prince Phillip didn't get anywhere when they voiced their misgivings about Miss Markle to him before the wedding?

Does Attenborough travel by private jet ?

Gosh - such ill feeling towards these young people!!!

They are in a position where they cannot avoid media intrusion; yet when they try to manage this by responding to the questions they are asked with a degree of honesty and seriousness, then they get vilified.

Harry has always been clear that he wants mental health problems to lose their stigma and be out in the open, so when he practices what he preaches we should not heap criticism on him.

We are all hypocrites to one degree or another when it comes to saving the planet - but thank goodness we do not have our every action picked over. They express concern about climate change - and if they expressed no concern? They are damned either way.

If you want to heap criticism on someone about this then try David Attenborough - he makes his living from flying around the world - but he seems to be St David in people's eyes.

She would be on "Oprah" quick as a flash, Annie !!

Divorce , Megan takes their son to America ? And I can’t believe she wouldn’t tell all,

But Harry is not mentally ill. He may still be grieving for his mother but grief is not a mental illness

As for violent crime there is a strong link with drug and alcohol abuse.

Gingergirl Do you think it was the right time and place to talk about their own issues when they were in a poverty-stricken place where the people had terrible things to cope with which they, H & M, were there supposedly to highlight?

I started off on the Harry & Meghan team from when H first introduced her to the public until a few months ago. Like most people I thought it was great that he had met someone as he clearly was keen to settle down and start a family.

Now I feel very sorry for Harry as I think there is some coercive control behaviour going on from Meghan's side.

I don't see this working out well at all for either of them, but particularly for Harry. Now that we have seen more of Meghan and the way she has behaved in public and towards her family, I am forming an opinion of her character, and coming to the conclusion that her family, who clearly know her "warts 'n' all", are right about her.

I think Meghan has no concept of "family" and although she has left her country, Harry has "left" all his friends and family. He has become isolated and only has Meghan and Archie now. This is the way coercive control works. I have been on the receiving end.

Divorce is nothing new in the RF and won't be the scandal it would have been decades ago, but if Harry continues to burn all his bridges behind him, he will be totally bereft when this happens .... and I am sad to say that I think it will.

The comments here are interesting, thank you. I do think that they both were expressing how they were feeling in an appropriate way. They weren’t out of control emotionally, overly dramatic, or self indulgent. We all experience strong emotions, and we ignore or deny them at our cost. I imagine they thought that the time had come in the royal family, for them,( along with the rest of society, ) to acknowledge their feelings and as Harry said learn to ‘manage’ them. And yet there is still a stigma attached to it all. If we were all a little more aware of our mental health, there might not be the ill health, social tragedies, and violent crimes, that we sadly see every day. I reckon(hope) in decades to come, we could look back at something like this with bemusement.

What strikes me most about this couple is their complete lack of self awareness.

Are they totally unable to see how their actions are perceived by all of us, the public as well as the media?

Meghan in particular complains about her coverage in the press, but is it totally impossible for her to see that all the newspapers are doing is reporting her actions and comments and allowing us, the public to form our own opinions of her.

It seems to me that she has made no effort to fit in here, or be seen to be trying to learn what it means to be a member of the British royal family.

She is the newcomer, so she should be following the example of for instance the Queen on how to conduct herself on official visits with dignity.

Can anyone honestly imagine the Queen whingeing and whining about her lot in life to a tv reporter?

Harry meanwhile remains so besotted by his wife that he is now behaving in a similar fashion.

No wonder William was quoted as being furious at his brother's outburst.

I find it hard to understand why if this couple are so anxious about press intrusion into their lives took part in a large press interview in the first place. It's brought them to the attention of umpteen people who never think about them from one day to the next. Was that the intention? And do they not have a popular press in America, if all this has apparently been such a surprise?

I am with Gingergirl and Iam64 on this.

These two well meaning young people are genuinely trying to use their undoubted power and influence for good in the world.

There have been some really mean posts on this and the other related thread.

Living abroad was brought up in the interview Cabbie21, but Harry went a bit quiet at that. I got the impression security could be an issue, but also that if by ‘abroad’ they meant Africa, was ok for a trip but as for upping sticks and living there, no.

Part of me feels sorry for them, but then they seem to be making matters worse for themselves by going public. It is not an easy role to play. Maybe the rumour that they might go and live abroad in some role or other is not a bad idea, to get out of the limelight for a few years?

I have not seen the programme, only the clips lifted for news bulletins.

I am not a royalist (nor indeed a republican) but take no pleasure in seeing a young couple struggle - I know, I know they have pots of cash, but that does not exempt them from PND, depression etc. And I am sure that being in the media spotlight is a challenge, on top of any other problems they might have.

It is not surprising that Harry is very touchy about this and it triggers unhappy memories for him.

I know it is our money they spend (or not in the case of Meghan) but I think the press should cut them a bit of slack.

Quizqueen - if these two were in an 'ordinary' job, I wouldn't be surprised to see them sending in a genuine sick note from their GP. Meghan has a small baby, all the young women I know took a year out after their baby arrived. Harry is facing a number of significant life transitions.
If they were members of my family, Id be suggesting time out after a demanding period of work, so soon after having a baby.
I just don't get it - the level of anger towards them.

Seriously here I wonder if its connected in some way to the level of anger, frustration and fury being expressed about B on so many radio phone ins? GP reporting more people complaining about B as they describe insomnia/depression etc. Dentists saying more people are grinding their teeth. We're living in interesting times.

Sort of thinking that some people need to find a nice quiet place and calm down a little.

Of course people feel sorry for Harry for losing his mother in a terrible way but that doesn't excuse he and his wife's current 'woke' behaviour. They say they are worried about the planet then jet off everywhere, often by private jet. They said Archie was too little to go to see the Queen in Scotland in the summer when he had already been on two foreign holidays! Also, they hid their baby away from the British public for weeks, just releasing ridiculous photos of his feet etc. but were more than happy to show him off to the people of Africa.

Now they want six weeks holiday; I hope they are paying for it themselves. You cannot live a life of luxury on taxpayers' money and then moan about having to perform a reasonable number of royal duties with a smiley face. Meghan has turned Harry from being a brave soldier into a wimp. Meanwhile, the Queen is in her 90s and still going strong. They need to take a leaf out of her book and Meghan needs to put her actress days behind her and get on with what she signed up for.

I agree with Iam64 and Gingergirl. I have been reading the other Harry and Meghan thread and can’t believe what a load of rubbish is being posted. I watched the documentary - of course it was going to be difficult for Harry visiting in his mother’s footsteps, but it was lovely to see the high regard the people had for Diana. Meghan was trying to explain the ‘British stiff upper lip attitude’ was difficult for her - well she is an American so it’s understandable. The persistent nasty and personal remarks that have been made in the media about Meghan(and on Gnet threads) - no wonder Harry is reacting as he is. Hopefully they’ll find someone else to pick on - I think Prince Andrew might be be next.

Another one who is with you Gingergirl