NOT real meat

Yet this still has nothing to do with the OPs complaint!

Meat containing dishes can still have all sorts of plant based allergens in them. So simply signing it "meat free" doesnt tell allergy sufferers anything.

Calli However, a young friend ended up in hospital not long ago because non-GF food was put in the wrong cabinet and labelled as GF. Many people just do not understand the implications.

I've lost count of the number of people who have commented to me along the lines of 'Is that the same as being vegetarian?' when speaking of GF food! As you say, they just don't understand the implications.

Many don't seem to understand the implications of a food allergy either, despite the awful incidents that have been in the Press recently.

Had the OP asked for the ingredient list, as anyone with a food allergy would do, she would have gotten it.

And plenty of meat based meals also contain all kinds of plant based allergens as well such as soy and gluten containing sauces and graveys etc so containing meat does not protect from that.

And that is not why the OP is complaining at any rate

Non vegans eat a mix of animal and plant based foods, so do not need a warning if they are about to eat something plant based.
notanan it's not the fact that it's meat-free that needs the warning - it's the fact that it could contain a plant-based product which could produce a reaction or even death in someone who is allergic to one of the unlabelled ingredients.

Although most people with any sense who have a problem would not eat it, there is always the chance that someone could.

Yes, MamaCaz it can be!
A lot of establishments are far more aware nowadays but it's surprising how many still have no clue.

It's not always possible to eat home-cooked food of course, and most of the time you have to trust what people say.

Sausages and burgers are shapes anyway. No meat comes in those shapes naturally. And it doesnt tell you what kind of meat is in them.

Interesting one because burgers is an abbreviation of hamburgers which don't usually contain ham.
Are they named after Hamburgers? Did the people of Hamburg invent them?

Which came first: humans eating meat or grains? I know the world has changed but vegans should appreciate the natural evolution of mankind, so far. I am not against vegans, vegetarians. I do expect however people to accept others' choice.

My son has been vegan for many years. One of his work colleagues announced recently that he was ‘going vegan.’ DS said, “You will be buying new shoes, then?” The man looked surprised, then said, “Oh. You mean not wearing leather any more? These shoes are ok because they are made of suede.” He couldn’t understand why DS burst out laughing.

The vegan experiment lasted three days!

I eat a lot less meat since my DH died. He loved his meat. I suppose it is much easier to use terms like veggie burgers or meatless sausages to describe food than to come up with new ones. I can’t understand why non meat eaters should want food that resembles meat, though.

I'll bet that there WAS an ingredient list available on request. There always is at sample stands it is required.

Sausages and burgers are shapes anyway. No meat comes in those shapes naturally. And it doesnt tell you what kind of meat is in them.

*message Julesw Sun 27-Oct-19 07:27:33
It's funny really that the vegan brigade go ape if meat products are not clearly explained to the hundredth degree but the same seems not to be true for non meat products.*

It is clearly NOT the same.

Non vegans eat a mix of animal and plant based foods, so do not need a warning if they are about to eat something plant based. What do you have WITH your meat huh? Yeah! Plant based products. So you were hardly tricked into eating something you dont usually eat.

I perfectly ‘get’ why veggie ow vegan food is styled to look like meat. I don’t see it as an issue.

Is it me?

I read it as the OP was offered it as a sampling food. No one forced her to eat it. And now she’s moaning....really you can’t please some folks.

Bluebelle I often find your posts difficult to understand, and this one almost incomprehensible.
what is left to make the vegan products into without people like you saying they re copying meat
There are no shapes left to use without being a pc used if copying You tell me how it could look ?
I’m not sure either whether ‘accused of’ refers to me, but I wasn’t accusing anyone of anything.
I was just wondering why non-meat forms of protein have to pretend they are meat.
If you want to eat lentils, make soup or Dahl.
If you want to eat chickpeas, make a curry or hummus.
If you want to eat nuts, add them to a pasta dish.
If you want to eat soy protein, eat bean curd in Chinese dishes.
Will that do?
And what do you mean by ‘people like you’ ?

Callistemon
...a young friend ended up in hospital not long ago because non-GF food was put in the wrong cabinet and labelled as GF. Many people just do not understand the implications.

I often think what a nightmare it must be for those with serious allergies or food intolerances. Even if cooking from scratch, there must always be the fear that one of the ingredients has become contaminated at some stage along the supply chain.

Yes YABU - very! This has to be a spoof post, surely? What's wrong with just eating the product as is, if it was excellent? In what way is there any point in using 'real' suasages instead?????

merlotgran I think thats a different scenario. If no one in a family is going to eat something I can understand them not wanting to spend on the ingredients especially if money is tight. has memories of making stuffed liver

I don’t eat meat because I know it’s a piece of a dead body. I love the fake meat products and they don’t really taste anything like meat. With the exception of Jack fruit burgers, and I am not keen on them for that reason. I have been vegetarian for over twenty years and the longer I am, the less I understand why people still eat meat when there is no need to. Hardwired I suppose.

As a society, we are conditioned to have certain elements in our diet- milk, meat, veggies, fruits

If you are vegetarian or vegan, the social need to have dairy and meat does not disappear- hence the variety of vegetable milks out there.

The same with "meats".

Personally, as a vegetarian, it freaks me out if a meat free product looks and tastes too much like meat.

my son tells me around 75% of his friends in their 30s are vegan,a trend i feel, but i agree it may make everyone sit up and take notice of how animals are treated,no animal who goes to the abbattoir wants to die.a massive debate, is it all about compassion for fellow creatures? I eat a little meat but it bothers me a lot.

Tasted a sample which was excellent then from the discussion taking place discovered that what I thought was a sausage casserole was in fact a vegan product.
AIBU to feel that artificial meat products should be clearly labelled? I'll be making it myself tomorrow - with real sausages!

MamaCaz I thought that was the point of the OP - that people were being invited to taste something and the ingredients were 'a surprise'.

Yes, anyone with any known allergies or contra-indications should have the sense to question first before tasting - if indeed Tesco had a readily available list of ingredients.
However, a young friend ended up in hospital not long ago because non-GF food was put in the wrong cabinet and labelled as GF. Many people just do not understand the implications.

They would soon go out of business if they don’t make a profit. How are they supposed to pay wages and massive overheads?

My middle brother had bacon, sausage and egg for breakfast then came home at lunch time declaring he was a vegetarian like the friends he had met up with. He then started throwing eggs at my youngest brother because he was eating a sausage sandwich! He doesn’t let people know in advance and seems to enjoy the mayhem he causes when he makes his announcement 5 minutes before a meal is served. I would just give him potato and veg.

Sausages contain very differing amounts of meat. A bit surprised that the local butchers sausages were 60% meat. OH devotes too much time sourcing sausages with high meat content. Lidl and Aldi are high but don’t taste right to me.

If I make no meat burgers, balls, or goujons I'm just describing their shape. 'Fake meat' doesn't come into it.

My favourite vegan beetroot and chickpea burger recipe comes from Gransnet. Tofu and roasted carrot burgers from Saturday Kitchen. They could easily be made into different shapes like falafel.

When I was teaching food technology I had a devil of a job convincing some parents that a practical lesson learning how to make spicy bean goulash did NOT mean I was trying to turn their child into a vegetarian.

They often refused to provide ingredients.

Think that you should check out what 'real' sausages contain! I don't really understand how anyone can actually enjoy meat nowadays.

I would like the food source to be mentioned on hotel menus too. I run conferences, and we get requests for vegetarian, vegan, pescatarian, you name it, and happy to accommodate. However when I raised the issue of moslems needing halal meat, I was assured 'all hotels only provide halal meat these days anyway'. I was utterly appalled, I don't want to eat halal meat.

I would feel cheated. It shouldn’t even be called a vegan sausage casserole, but meat free casserole.

Some of us really enjoy our meat!