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Horse Racing...... ? Cruel or Not ?

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Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 14:38:36

Just turned on the TV , The Cheltenham Gold Cup Horse Race was on , which I proceeded to watch
I have in the past often watched the Grand National ......
However having recently read & become aware of the fact that horses are often killed afterwards (if they have sustained an injury ) it has made think about the ethics of Horse racing, is it time to phase this ‘Sport’ out ?

seacliff Wed 11-Mar-20 16:04:25

I think it is cruel. I will never enter the office sweepstake for that reason. I know they all think me weird, but I don't want to support it.

Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 16:02:24

I agree Bluebell.

Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 15:58:34

Ohh Phoenix, this is terrible to read. Why do they need to have their ears cut off? I assume it is so that no one can be held to account .

BlueBelle Wed 11-Mar-20 15:58:16

In my opinion ALL horse racing is cruel, yes wild horses like galloping around and maybe they can go a few miles BUT they don’t have anything (7/8/9 stone) on their backs, they don’t have horrible cruel metal things in their mouths and they don’t have a human with a whip yes it’s called a whip not a ‘tapper’ it’s designed to sting to make them go faster
In answer to your question baggs wouldn’t training and breeding make a difference yes I m sure but that doesn’t mean it’s right and whose to say the training isn’t cruel there is such big money resting on these races that to get them faster the training could well be cruel
I personally consider dog racing is cruel too and I don’t believe animals are here to entertain us in this kind of way

phoenix Wed 11-Mar-20 15:52:44

Racing greyhounds have their ears tattoed. There have been quite a few reports of them being abandoned with their ears cut off if they don't make the grade.angry

Please think of a brilliant little horse, Kauto Star, who had a fantastic racing career, was retired and went to retrain as a dressage horse, had a lovely retirement until he had an accident jumping out of his exercise paddock and had to be put down.

Horses will run, and some are inclined to jump.

With regard to the whip, there are currently rules in place, and these are due to be revised.

Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 15:52:30

Dee1012, Thankyou Although upsetting to see & read , it shows us that the situation is worse than many of us will have realised.

Daisymae Wed 11-Mar-20 15:49:08

Yes, I think that it's cruel. Horses can be medicated to race through injury, break legs while running their hearts out and jumping incredible heights. In the name of entertainment. Then of course what happens when they are no longer fit to race and no use for breeding?

phoenix Wed 11-Mar-20 15:47:03

Baggs I would say yes, they are athletes.

Just as I could not compete with Mo Farrah, or Usain Bolt in a sprint, or anyone who can run a marathon because A)I'm not built for it, and B)I'm not trained for it.

Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 15:46:17

Yes Salsaqueen, there are quite a few Greyhounds in Kennels after they have served their purpose.

Dee1012 Wed 11-Mar-20 15:45:06

My view is purely personal, I think the whole racing "industry" is cruel.
Here's a link to one report but it's not pleasant;

www.animalaid.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/troubleracing.pdf

Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 15:43:59

Yes, Baggs I think you are correct , there are different breeds of horses.
Perhaps they should be raced without Jockeys, could be interesting ?

SalsaQueen Wed 11-Mar-20 15:30:16

I think it's cruel. I hate dog racing even more. The greyhounds have a horrible existence and are dumped when they can't run any more.

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:29:27

I think it's sad that horse deaths are associated with racing but, again, it doesn't follow from that that all horse racing is cruel?

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:28:02

Measurements don't mean much. Human athletes train to jump enormously high or long distances and can sustain injuries by doing so. That doesn't stop them wanting to do it.

So, to go back to something I said earlier, mightn't training and breeding make a difference? What I'm asking is whether race horses are horse athletes compared to your average horse?

Dee1012 Wed 11-Mar-20 15:27:28

Not all races are that long but I do stand by my view that "jump racing" i.e Cheltenham / Aintree etc are the worst.

There's a site run by Animal Aid and if you look at this year alone in the UK, 23 horses have been killed mostly in National Hunt racing.

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:24:27

What about the horses whose riders fall off and just carry on? I guess that might be to do with their herd instincts.

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:23:16

Are all races over four miles?

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:22:28

Jockeys are quite small adults and horses are very strong animals. Are those things they hit the horses with actually whips? Or non-injuring whackers?

Dee1012 Wed 11-Mar-20 15:19:39

It's over 4 miles with an adult on it's back, holding/using a whip! Looking at the National, one fence alone is 5 feet 3 inches high (1.60 m), preceded by a 6 feet 0 inches (1.83 m) open ditch on the takeoff side (just checked).

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:19:19

I don't have a pre-formed view on the matter but its cruelty does not seem 'obvious' to me. I'm open to being persuaded.

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:17:40

That's what I'm querying. Given that horses are naturally galloping animals and that natural selection developed the galloping ability, as in other galloping animals – wildebeest, zebra, etc — to escape predation, I wonder if "making" them gallop is cruel.

SueDonim Wed 11-Mar-20 15:07:35

I think it’s cruel. Would a horse choose of its accord to gallop non-stop for four miles?

Baggs Wed 11-Mar-20 15:03:41

Just googled. It seems wild horses can gallop for two to two and a half miles without over-tiring.

Now I'm wondering if the training, better diets, and breeding of race horses would make a difference. My guess is that they would.

TrendyNannie6 Wed 11-Mar-20 14:58:47

Very cruel poor horses

Bridgeit Wed 11-Mar-20 14:57:48

I would think that ‘galloping nonstop ‘for 4 miles is too much .