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Jane10 Sun 12-Jul-20 09:30:10

We live in a block of flats. Most are owner occupied but there are a few long term tenants. We all get on well and there has been lots of friendly interaction especially over the lockdown. However, an invitation has been circulated inviting people to a summer party to which people are asked to contribute financially. This is an annual event organised, we and others had thought, by the residents committee but it turns out that it isn't-the organiser gives the impression that it is. The problem for us is that only owners of flats have been invited. The tenants are excluded from this event which is held in the communal areas and the garden. To access their homes they will have to walk through the party. We have asked that the tenants be invited but have been given a flat no by the organiser. It seems so unfair and so divisive. When we asked why they can't come we were given various unconvincing excuses and we can only conclude that this person objects to tenants on principle as they are perfectly nice, friendly people.
Are we wrong to try to rock the boat on this subject? As it stands we won't be going to this party. Any suggestions as to courses of action?

Nannan2 Mon 13-Jul-20 12:34:15

If organisers ARE NOT residents, then how/why the heck are they being allowed to hold this in first place? What is wrong with your committee? Why aren't they objecting to this in the first place?'not getting involved'? I'd vote for a new chairperson at once! Then only allow anything organised by residents only(ALL residents, INCLUDING TENANTS)Then id organise a gathering for residents for a Bring Your Own Bottle party.job done

Hattiehelga Mon 13-Jul-20 12:31:06

Organise a tenants only party on the same day, same time, same venue.

Nannan2 Mon 13-Jul-20 12:28:20

Even if organisers only make enough to cover cost of drinks that's STILL covering cost of what's essentially 'their own party'- so they can have a party but not be out of pocket?- any gathering taking money must have a permit i think? (you can check that with council probably?) What has happened every other year before this? Has there been same stipulation, owners only? Or were there no renters then? And did they charge money then also? The committee must know name of organiser and are obliged to give it- (wouldn't be surprised if its not chair persons OH or relative tbh) but maybe I'm being cynical.hmm

Aepgirl Mon 13-Jul-20 12:21:04

As the organisers aren’t residents, why don’t you all say ‘no’ to the invitation. It will then be a non-event, and when it’s safe (post-Covid) organise another event for the who block of flats.

Nannan2 Mon 13-Jul-20 12:17:27

The leaflets would not inflate it if its showing they give full support to ALL residents being invited, but not just owners of properties, i think it would have to be worded carefully though! Also to point out that you object to any parties with an entry charge and also large gatherings at this time.And yes, get your hubby to object louder to residents commitee about this- its not enough for the chairman/woman to say they dont want to get involved- its what they are elected for isnt it? To speak for you all? If not get a new chairperson! Id put myself on comittee if i were you, and run myself- or at least get on committee and have my own say! (Or is that 'men only' as they're so archaic?) hmm

icanhandthemback Mon 13-Jul-20 12:15:32

I would normally say don't mess on your own doorstep but if nobody makes a stand, the discrimination will continue. If the landlords are good landlords, how on earth would it make it uncomfortable for them or the tenants? I am FB friends with my tenants and have quite often been in the same place as them socialising. They are all lovely people who just haven't been able to get on the housing ladder.
Polnan, if Black Lives Matter added the words "as much as white people's" would you argue that All lives Matter. Nobody is arguing against All Lives Matter within the communities of POC but white people are generally not the ones dying at the hands of police, being denied interviews for jobs based on their names and a host of other discriminatory actions. To start saying All Lives Matter just shows how little you understand the problems Black Lives face.

Jane10 Mon 13-Jul-20 12:13:13

That's exactly what we are doing. There's quite an email barrage going on. I'm trying to keep the tone of ours as positive as possible and offering suggestions rather than just being offensive (which would be sooooo easy?). If there's still a brick wall well that's it but they and everyone else (except the tenants I hope) will know about it and hopefully think twice before next year's party.
I should say that the organiser isn't profiting in any way. I suspect that the financial contributions just about cover the drinks. It's such a small thing but so unpleasant.

GuestCorrectly Mon 13-Jul-20 12:09:48

The current legislation prohibits gatherings of more than 30 people. Potential for a complaint to the Residents’ Association (or authorities if you feel so minded) to object to the clear flouting of the law in your shared space? Mind you’ll then have to cross yourself off the prospect of any future invitations, of course.

Nannan2 Mon 13-Jul-20 12:05:35

Id tell the organisers too in no uncertain terms that i object and why, loudly so everyone else hears- then a lot who were thinking of going might change their minds too.

Shazmo24 Mon 13-Jul-20 12:00:25

If its being organised by an owner what stops them from using the money for other things?
Also to not invite thr other tenants is appalling. It smacks of them "not being our sort"....I wouldnt go and arrange to meet up anothet time with the tenants for afternoon tea where you all bring cakes and your own flasks of tea.
Much better & inclusive

justwokeup Mon 13-Jul-20 12:00:12

The suggestions about leaflets through letterboxes etc surprise me. Surely that would only inflate the situation and the tenants would probably feel worse than they are likely to do anyway. I know you say your DH is on the residents' committee but he and they are not doing their job. Raise your concerns through the correct channel, the residents committee, and either ask them to confirm and notify residents that this is a private party, not supported/funded in any way by the residents' committee, or suggest that they offer to 'take over' the organisation, particularly in view of meeting social distancing requirements, and invite everyone. Surely if one resident will feel uncomfortable, s/he can choose not to attend. Plenty of time yet to solve this quietly without stirring up a hornets' nest.

Nannan2 Mon 13-Jul-20 11:59:55

I also dont think theyre 'allowed' to make a charge for this? I think there are certain laws and regulations for that, which they would probably need to apply for a permit for? And also- where is the money going to? Its one thing collecting it for a charity, but another entirely if its just to pay for them to what is essentially someones own private party, which it sounds like, if ALL residents arent invited? But as someone else said, you cant invite folk to your place and charge them for it.No id do more than just 'email' id really rock the boat on this- it sounds like a real scam to get you owners to pay for their own party- and why august?(does it 'happen' to coincide with their own birthday/anniversary etc?Someone has organised this, someone's taking the money- and the chair of the residents committee has to legally give you their name&details i believe, as money has been asked for?Tell that to the 'chair' I'm sure they'll be more helpful.And itl probably rain anyway, we are in Britain!grin

JaneRn Mon 13-Jul-20 11:50:36

I wouldn't go to any large party at present and in this particular case I certainly wouldn't enjoy it knowing that a few of the residents had been excluded. Has anyone given a reason for this decision, because it would appear that this is a particularly unpleasant form of snobbery. My reaction would be not to bother organising a rival party to which tenants could be invited as this could well make them feel even more uncomfortable. Better to make your feelings known by just not attending which might be a salutary lesson to the organizers!

fluttERBY123 Mon 13-Jul-20 11:48:18

Can they physically stop you attending the party if it is being held on communal ground? Leaflets through all doors so everyone knows what is going on? A simultaneous party, for tenants? Endless possibilities here.

The last thing you want to do is have a small gathering elsewhere, it's admitting they have the right to their exclusive party. Exclusive here used in proper sense of people being excluded.

Nannan2 Mon 13-Jul-20 11:38:27

The residents 'chair' cant say they 'dont want to get involved' - thats their 'job' so to speak- so they must- especially if you and maybe some other owners are asking them to intervene! And yes the tenants also must be asked if they object to this. (The way its all going with the mingling,& hardly any social distancing involved we could all be on lockdown again by august!) Yes i think others are correct, i still dont think we're allowed large gatherings at all.(not even august) Why dont you make your own letter saying the truth, thats it not organised by residents assoc and why you (and some other owners,if they do) object to it, and that you're boycotting it, print/copy these out and post one in EVERY residents letterbox??I would do so.winksmile

RosesAreRed21 Mon 13-Jul-20 11:30:03

That does seem very unfair - where is the organizers community spirit

Jane10 Mon 13-Jul-20 11:27:24

I must reiterate this is a block of entirely privately owned flats. Some have been let. There is no 'company' owning or running it. Its just us residents.
We've thought of having a simultaneous alternative party but that does seem a bit passive aggressive. There are actually only four flats rented out of 30 so there aren't many tenants at all which seems worse to me. Undoubtedly, its snobbery and being Scottish, MawB, you'll understand it when I say its a good dose of 'Its aye been'! Well its time it changed.

MawB Mon 13-Jul-20 11:14:20

I would hold my own alternative party.
Actually there probably shouldn’t be parties at the moment, but a socially distanced gathering somewhere nearby might be a lot more fun. And if you have to walk through the “official” party carrying your smoked salmon and champagne you may get a few envious glances!
Or you could just do a rain dance! ☔️☔️☔️gringrin

Camelotclub Mon 13-Jul-20 11:09:14

I wouldn't go anyway, even if Prince Charles was invited! Not at this particular time.

Tiggersuki Mon 13-Jul-20 11:04:58

How very tragic, I see no reason why tenants cannot go.
Many people cannot afford to buy their accommodation or for various reasons choose to rent , that should not prevent them from joining in residents activities, it seems very mean.

Mapleleaf Mon 13-Jul-20 11:03:31

It sounds very unpleasant and divisive to me.

However, I would be questioning the holding of any kind of large party at the moment. How will social distancing be maintained, especially once alcohol has been consumed - and who would police it? I would certainly avoid going on those grounds as well as the awful discrimination at play.

harrysgran Mon 13-Jul-20 10:49:14

Snobbery and discrimination make your views loud and clear otherwise they will carry on with their mean attitude if this is an annual party what happened last year

deanswaydolly Mon 13-Jul-20 10:48:39

I would let all the other owners know it is a divisive party and NOT officially organised by residents association

4allweknow Mon 13-Jul-20 10:45:48

Seems to be one individual organising a party and inky inciting those he wants to. Nothing to do with the residents committee. Your communal rules applying to all the flats will say if an individual can hold a party in the garden and what sort of permissions are required if any. Just boycott on the basis of he is probably holding a "private" party by not inviting all residents.

TrendyNannie6 Mon 13-Jul-20 10:44:40

Oh that’s awful