Bel Mooney

Have a good break maddyone. Rates in the whole of Greece are lower than in some of the towns under extra measures here.
Why Crete is on the 'banned' list is beyond me. One death in six month and under 500 cases. Those cases largely in one area.

Anyway, it’s good to hear rules are complied with abroad, hopefully the same in Greece.

Thanks Trisher. It’s only eight nights, but I need a break and a change of scene, ready for what might be to come. I hope not, but I’m not optimistic.

maddyone If it is anything like Portugal it will be much better than here. My friend says they were all wearing masks there. She went to the theatre, book a seat and all the ones around you are blacked out so they can't be sold. The loos had 2 assistants sanitising after one was used and locking it off for some time after, She said people seemed to be concerned for each other.
Enjoy Greece lovely time to go.

As DH said, the police know where to go now on Christmas Day.
It's what my MIL would have called 'showing off''.

Well there you have it Trisher, the vast majority of people would comply if there was someone standing at the door of a shop reminding them. Problem solved.

I’ve been checking up on requirements for Greece before we go tomorrow. Masks must be worn in all public buildings, obviously that includes shops. No exceptions. So no one is allowed to say, oh dear me, I can’t possibly breathe if I wear a mask. The rule is no exceptions. If Greeks can do it, why not the British?

Bit of a clickbait Mail article, another three months down the line things may well have changed anyway.

My local charity shop the other day had a woman at the door dishing out hand sanitiser and restricting numbers in store to 8. No-one questioned her, no-one challenged her. I think people would comply if the message was made loudly and clearly and shops provided the staff to supervise. After all shops have always ejected people who were drunk or causing trouble.

I didn't think much of Bel Mooney's remarks either but, to be honest, I don't always agree with the advice she gives people.

BM writes in the DM every week I believe and the DM (print and online) has a huge readership

Haven’t heard of Bel Mooney since the 60s so don’t suppose she’s on most people’s radar as an opinion maker. This article is typical of the thinking among some groups that the government is curbing freedom and human rights.

There’s nothing like the Grim Reaper to curb freedom!

Thanks Avalon.

No suzie, it’s not going to happen. I have to resign myself to the fact that my ideas are never used by government, however good I may think they are.

Thanks MayBee for the warning, I’ll take my brolly, the weather forecast is pretty good for Kefalonia although one day is forecast rain. We have been there once before and it was wall to wall sunshine but that was in June. Never mind, what will be will be, it’s a break and change of scene, and some very pretty views. Our son and his wife are going too (not arranged, coincidental) but we overlap a few days, so we can meet up with them and hopefully have a barbecue together.

Maddyone talking about Bel Mooney the subject of the op

But this isn’t going to happen is it? We are not going to give staff security officers any meaningful powers. What exactly would they do with someone not wearing a mask in store who refused to comply?

Avalon, who's she?’

Jane, what I would expect shops to do is employ security just like airports, clubs, and many other places do. We’re constantly told that Coronavirus will result in high unemployed. Well that’s how we could employ more people. The government should have put provision for this in the bill. It would have resulted in much higher compliance.

trisher you still seem to be missing the point that hands, face, space cannot and will not be enforced in general and that those ignoring it know exactly what they are doing. I wish it weren’t like this, but it is.

janeainsworth larger shops have security staff to deal with shoplifting they could take on the mask refusers. Smaller shops already operate numbers being admitted. It would just be a matter of adding masks to that.

I'm sorry you have such attacks Espee but I am absolutely certain that most people could wear a mask if they chose to. My DS has asthma but he wears a mask. The people I have watched are not social distancing either. Standing in groups to cross the road, walking too close to others, crowding onto the pavement. They think like you that they are safe outdoors, they may be safer, but that doesn't mean there is no transmission.

trisher. I am one of those people who whip off their mask the minute I come out of a shop. When I have to wear a mask I have to fight against the panic I feel. Every minute is a nightmare.
Please consider that others may feel the same.
Out of doors the transmission of the virus is hugely deminished as long as distancing is maintained.

Oh, everybody wants a "rule" that will suit them and what they want to do.

If only people could apply a tiny bit of intelligence and restraint, limit their social contacts, and keep their distance.

If only.

Kamiso I feel you should be telling that to Bel Mooney not us !

maddyone: I’m sure you’ve looked into this anyway but in case you haven’t can I warn you that it rains a lot in Kefalonia. For once in my life I went on holiday without taking a raincoat and it absolutely chucked it down. It was about this time of year, too. Hope you do get good weather though.