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to resent the census requiring details of employer from years ago

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ElderlyPerson Tue 22-Jun-21 10:07:02

In 2011 and 2021 the census required, on pain of £1000 fine if not done, everyone not in employment but who have ever had paid employment (their bold type) to write down the name and address of their most recent employer, regardless of how long ago it was, maybe many decades.

The letter, that included the part about being fined, ended with Yours sincerely Sir name.

So anybody made redundant or losing their job unfairly has, for the rest of their life it now seems, to be shackled in the census to an employer, as if they are not a free person but just "allowed to have their time".

I felt quite resentful about this and wonder if others do too.

I cannot understand how that information about most recent employment many years ago is in any way needed for the supposed reason for the census of planning for the future.

Someone might have lost a good job through redundancy and then, doing their best to support themselves and any dependents they might have by taking whatever job they could get, so now they are branded with that job.

Someone made redundant due to the pandemic then needed to write down the name and address of the former employer.

This was not an optional census question.

It seems like bureaucracy gone into an Orwellian nightmare.

ElderlyPerson Tue 22-Jun-21 16:16:26

M0nica

An individual's information on a census form is going nowhere. There are strict rules over confidentiality and always has been. When have you read a story of the census details of an individual coming out into the public sphere? This information will not be given or seen by anyone before 2121, if then.

I appreciate your concern, when you end up leaving employment under circumstances you have not chosen at a time you would not have chosen, it is bruising. But you are not alone and it is happening to people more and more these days.

I left work under a voluntary redundancy scheme, not because I wanted to, but I realised that my profession had become redundant and if I didn't jump when asked and when I could benefit from the soft landing from the severance parachute, once the scheme ended, I would just be pushed out of the door without a parachute.

As for 'thats life' well wherever there is a cut off date someone will be just the right side of it, someone else just on the wrong side. someone will be half a centimetre to join the police force, someone will just creep through. One 5 year old will just get through the low height door to get into a child's entertainment, the next will be too tall.

Life is full of these 'that's life' moments we just squeak into or squeak out of something. We win some, we lose some. but - that's life.

I did read of a case of information given for a census being used outside the census some decades ago. It made the newspapers.

A man put on his census form that he ran his business from his home.

Two days later he got a letter from the council demanding that he pay business rates on his home.

He complained. It turned out that the man who was collecting and collating the census returns as a short term extra job, was a local government officer (lots of them were) and in fact worked in the rates departmentof the council.

The man lost his appointment as a census official because he had broken the agreement that what he learned doing the census work was confidential.

As for height for rides, I have seen adverts for these where it states in the asterisked bit that height restrictions apply, but does not say what the restriction is and whether it is a minimum or a maximum.

I remember calling at a motorway service area where there was a bouncy castlec attraction for a fee and there was what lloked like a hastily prepared notice scrawled on what lloked like part of an old box that said "Children only". So perhaps something had happened and they didn't want it happening again!

Yes, there are such thresholds. It does not make them right though. With modern computers there need not be cliffedge thresholds, there could be gentle slopes. It just needs a bit of care o be taken when rules are devised.

ElderlyPerson Tue 22-Jun-21 16:00:21

greenlady102

oh good grief! You might as well say that the employer is shackled to me and has to bear the mortification of being linked to all the good stuff that I got up to after I retired.....including drinking alcohol.

But the employer is not so linked. It is just the human being who is the victim of this outrageous nastiness.

ElderlyPerson Tue 22-Jun-21 15:54:52

MawBe

Full, detailed and excellent reply at 10.40 is Monica - you have explained very clearly why elderly person really is getting worried about nothing.
You may lament the passing of your high exalted status but nobody else knows or indeed cares. You are a statistic - no more, no less.
Just a thought, however, you are not Justin Welby are you? (Archbishop of Canterbury recently photographed selling the Big Issue on a high street) but no, you say you are a Sir and he isn’t.

No, I did not say that I am a 'Sir'.

The letter about filling in the census about being fined £1000 and ending 'Yours sincerely' was from someone whose name was listed as Sir name.

I am only addressed as 'Sir' by some people in shops and the like, and some people otherwise have so addressed me at times as a courtesy when there was no obligation for them to do so.

ElderlyPerson Tue 22-Jun-21 15:45:09

Callistemon

^True, but it may well come round again, and again, and ... for the rest of your life.^

Is that why I've had phone calls informing me that I have an unpaid tax bill and that the police will shortly be arriving at my door to arrest me unless I press 1 on the keypad NOW?

I thought it was a scam.

No, that was a scam.

ElderlyPerson Tue 22-Jun-21 15:43:29

MerylStreep

Elderlyperson
I think you need to find an absorbing hobby.
Why are you ruminating so much on meaningless issues, it’s not healthy.
I don’t suppose it entered you head to put something witty in the last job box.

It did, but I was frightened of being fined.

I felt shabbied and humiliated by a bully who had power to hurt.

greenlady102 Tue 22-Jun-21 15:31:22

professional vegan?

allium Tue 22-Jun-21 15:21:01

I also did mine online, cant remember this bit, I guess my memory must be getting bad?

NotSpaghetti Tue 22-Jun-21 15:14:40

Printer's errand boy = Devil!

Callistemon Tue 22-Jun-21 15:12:54

Fascinating, MerylStreep!
It also shows us how some surnames were derived.

AGAA4 Tue 22-Jun-21 15:08:54

I just filled my census in as quickly as possible sent it off and promptly forgot about it. The employment question was a bit odd as I had retired many years ago.

Callistemon Tue 22-Jun-21 15:07:05

You could have just written:
'Gentleman, living on own means'
Which one of my ancestors had written on an old census firm.

MerylStreep Tue 22-Jun-21 14:24:01

Greenlady ?
Elderlyperson
Here’s a list to choose from if your still around next time.
www.genproxy.co.uk/old_trades_occupations.htm

greenlady102 Tue 22-Jun-21 14:21:28

MerylStreep

Elderlyperson
I think you need to find an absorbing hobby.
Why are you ruminating so much on meaningless issues, it’s not healthy.
I don’t suppose it entered you head to put something witty in the last job box.

he has one already..... wink

M0nica Tue 22-Jun-21 14:20:39

rewrit: some will be half a centimetre too short to get into the police, another will be half a centmetre taller and just get in.

MerylStreep Tue 22-Jun-21 14:19:48

Elderlyperson
I think you need to find an absorbing hobby.
Why are you ruminating so much on meaningless issues, it’s not healthy.
I don’t suppose it entered you head to put something witty in the last job box.

M0nica Tue 22-Jun-21 14:10:05

An individual's information on a census form is going nowhere. There are strict rules over confidentiality and always has been. When have you read a story of the census details of an individual coming out into the public sphere? This information will not be given or seen by anyone before 2121, if then.

I appreciate your concern, when you end up leaving employment under circumstances you have not chosen at a time you would not have chosen, it is bruising. But you are not alone and it is happening to people more and more these days.

I left work under a voluntary redundancy scheme, not because I wanted to, but I realised that my profession had become redundant and if I didn't jump when asked and when I could benefit from the soft landing from the severance parachute, once the scheme ended, I would just be pushed out of the door without a parachute.

As for 'thats life' well wherever there is a cut off date someone will be just the right side of it, someone else just on the wrong side. someone will be half a centimetre to join the police force, someone will just creep through. One 5 year old will just get through the low height door to get into a child's entertainment, the next will be too tall.

Life is full of these 'that's life' moments we just squeak into or squeak out of something. We win some, we lose some. but - that's life.

Doodledog Tue 22-Jun-21 13:59:27

I don't understand it either, but it clearly troubles ElderlyPerson, so it would help if he could tell us what it is about the situation that has upset him. I don't think it's fair to write it off as an over-reaction without knowing what 'it' is.

Lucca Tue 22-Jun-21 13:54:19

I don’t understand the problem I’m afraid. It’s just data/statistics/ trends etc

greenlady102 Tue 22-Jun-21 13:41:56

oh good grief! You might as well say that the employer is shackled to me and has to bear the mortification of being linked to all the good stuff that I got up to after I retired.....including drinking alcohol.

MawBe Tue 22-Jun-21 12:47:25

Full, detailed and excellent reply at 10.40 is Monica - you have explained very clearly why elderly person really is getting worried about nothing.
You may lament the passing of your high exalted status but nobody else knows or indeed cares. You are a statistic - no more, no less.
Just a thought, however, you are not Justin Welby are you? (Archbishop of Canterbury recently photographed selling the Big Issue on a high street) but no, you say you are a Sir and he isn’t.

nanna8 Tue 22-Jun-21 12:28:38

You don’t have to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I used to be a census manager and the clear rubbish some people wrote was laughable. That is in Australia ,though, perhaps they are more particular in the UK.

Blossoming Tue 22-Jun-21 11:57:50

I just filled it in. Anyone on LinkedIn can see my employment history for the last 25+ years anyway. I’m retired now, but being ‘known’ was important in my profession. I’m probably not going to be here to see the 2031 census anyway.

Why should my father’s profession on my birth certificate have marked me for life? I don’t really understand that.

Callistemon Tue 22-Jun-21 11:55:26

You seem to have become overly anxious about this ElderlyPerson and a molehill is becoming a huge mountain.

M0nica Tue 22-Jun-21 11:52:10

I can see no connection.

Callistemon Tue 22-Jun-21 11:50:29

You are just a statistic, ElderlyPerson.