To think that a trend is starting here

At least her abuser is behind bars - he got 175 years for abusing these children.

There will still be others out there in the world of sport and elsewhere abusing children mentally, physically and sexually.

According to a previous poster she was sexually abused by the gymnastic physician so are you now saying that she was abused by all those around her bluebell. What I was saying in my post was that when you are with people for long periods of time as I’m guessing would apply to coaches, nutritionists etc I am surprised that someone didn’t pick up that something was wrong and took action.

To be fair to Simone Biles, I think her past history has caused this, not the stress of competing.
Who knows when someone may suffer an episode of extreme anxiety, perhaps with flashbacks.

I hope she is getting the support she needs.

Added to this, athletes do not have the usual support of friends and family with them this year.

I think it probably takes some strength of character to survive sexual assault by someone who is supposed to look after you germanshepherdsmum.

even with physical ailments and disabilities it can be hard to know what a person will be able to accomplish.
so much the moreso with mental problems; they are so variable and unpredictable; mot people want to try to do as much as possible, but that has to be tempered with regard for overall health long term, and safety considerations.
perhaps this is a sports version of the me too movement.
they are no longer willing to suffer and keep silent.

MoorlandMooner

'mental elf ' 'wimps' 'bleat' 'want to shake them and tell them to get a grip'

This is 2021. Surely we are better than this?

Is this really how we think of people who are ill or struggling?

No, but that's not what the OP is asking. The question is whether it is reasonable for people with ongoing or recurrent MH issues to pull our of commitments if they will inconvenience others.

It's certainly an oversimplification when critics talk about Simone having an off day. Anyone watching her vault could see she was completely lost as she came off the platform and was lucky to be able to turn it into something she could land. Trying to carry on with the sort of moves she has become famous for when she had lost her spatial awareness would have been exceedingly dangerous.

I saw Tom Daly talking about a similar situation when he entered puberty and his arms and legs suddenly grew. The change in body shape and centre of gravity meant he lost all awareness of where he was in space and thought he was just going to crash into the ground. He said it took a lot of support to get through that.

MOnica, I certainly don’t consider genuine mental health problems to be a weakness. They happen just as physical illnesses do. I wish I didn’t have depression (which started as post natal depression) but I do, I’m honest about it and medication makes a huge difference. I can’t imagine the horror of being incarcerated in an asylum years ago (as my grandfather was). Where the weakness that I perceive lies is in the attitude adopted by so many today who are so ready to cry ‘poor me!’ and relinquish their responsibilities. That was my point. The genuine destruction of the mental health of so many who fought in the world wars, and its effect on their families, is tragic in the extreme and most, if they could, suffered in silence as the recognition and treatment of their trauma wasn’t there, which of course didn’t assist them. However one cannot compare what they endured with the situations in which many people play the mental health card today, who wouldn’t have had the strength of character our ancestors displayed when bravely joining up. Of course a modern war - perish the thought - wouldn’t be fought in the same way but can you imagine the youth of today volunteering or accepting their call-up papers?

Surely coaches etc would realise that something was not right
The woman was sexually abused as a child by those deemed to be looking after her !!! Maybe she has good cause to have mental health issues especially around her performances
She said she made some mistakes and those mistakes could have caused her sever injury so she did the wisest thing

Just like the lass at Wimbledon who had panic attacks you can’t always keep going how ever much training you have had

'mental elf ' 'wimps' 'bleat' 'want to shake them and tell them to get a grip'

This is 2021. Surely we are better than this?

Is this really how we think of people who are ill or struggling?

I really hope that more mental health awareness isn’t just ‘a trend’.

It takes courage to speak up about it and risk being vilified for somehow ‘lacking in moral fibre’.

I fully admire anyone who could make it to the Olympics from sheer talent and dedication. I feel for Simone, and any decision she makes is right for her. Am I right in thinking these young athletes have no family or friends with them for support?. I think these young athletes are fantastic,... and having reached the heights they trained for .Amazing. No expectations from me...

Yes, I agree with that, GillT57.

Any competitive sport will be high pressure, but sexual abuse (obviously) needs to be rooted out, as does bullying. I think that the situation in sport is different from other jobs, though, as there are specific circumstances surrounding it.

the old asylums were full of people whose mental health was shattered by war. I am sorry to hear you have a lifetime of mental health illness germanshepherdsmum, and admire how you have been able to carry on, but surely you, out of all of us, must recognise that not all mental health illness is the same. The pressure on young athletes needs to be looked at, especially in the light of recent revelations about bullying, abuse, sexual abuse by coaches who can make or break the future career of adolescents and children.

That's awful, Galaxy. I'm not surprised she felt she had to leave.

I am not unsympathetic to people with mental health issues; but I think that if we are meant to see them as the same as physical ones (when it comes to the workplace) that has to work both ways.

Few people would object to an employer asking for qualifications from people they want to consider for a job. Clearly this is to test their knowledge or ability to cope with exams or courses of study. Similarly, some roles preclude those with colour blindness (electrical engineering) or actual blindness (bus drivers) and few would argue with that. If someone is struck by a physical ailment that means that they can no longer carry out their work they would have to leave and do something else.

If someone's mental health is fragile and they are unable to cope with a stressful role, then similarly they should leave and do something that they can cope with. In my experience it is people in jobs with a decent salary (paid because the role is stressful) who refuse to do so, and opt out of things that they find difficult to do, usually without a second thought for the mental health of the people who are left to do that job as well as their own.

It is difficult for managers to deal with the problem, as they are accused of discrimination.

Germanshepherdsmum I do agree that claiming mental health problems is used as a 'get out of gaol card' by some people, but not many.

Most people before hid problems and did try and cope, but in wartime, there is a sense of common purpose and the fear of what could happen.

And do not forget that many of those serving in the war had very severe mental problems at the time and many for a lifetime afterwards, but mental health then was dismissed as 'weakness', as you are doing now and our asylums, big and hidden in quiet leafy places held hundreds if not thousands of people whose lives were destroyed by mental illness.

One of my uncles own mental health was destroyed by growing up in a household where his father was physically and mental damaged for life following his army service in WW1. More recently the marriage of the daughter of a good friend was destroyed by the mental health problems her husband, in the territorial army, suffered from, after serving in Serbia and Bosnia during the Balkan Wars of the 1980s and 90s

I’m in awe that Biles has been able to continue with gymnastics in any shape or form.

Cricket players have a extremely high incidence of mental health problems.
The profession has one of the highest suicide rates.

I know I’ll be shot down in flames for saying this but I do get fed up with hearing about people’s mental health every day. I’ve lived with depression (medicated) for decades and I’ve managed to hold down a very stressful job throughout. I’ve never taken time off, I’ve just got on with things despite at times being suicidal. I’ve always felt my obligations very keenly and honoured them to the very best of my ability. I just don’t see that sort of attitude in a lot of people who bleat about their ‘mental elf’ these days. I judge no-one more harshly than I judge myself but there are times I’d like to shake them and tell them to get a grip. Thank goodness the men and women who fought for us in world wars weren’t the wimps we’re surrounded by today. (Ducks and retires quickly!)

An athletes life is so different from what it was 20 or more years ago. To achieve sporting success at a high level now you need to devote your whole life to it 24/7, usually from a very young age, early teens, and sometimes younger.

Everything you do is controlled in your life, what you eat, how much you sleep, while your day is a relentless cycle of training. Young athletes also have to fit their schooling round all this. then their are the sports psychologists to train your mind to make you think in a way that leads to success.

All this and we are surprised that a growing number of them are having mental health problems, the miracle is that many more are not having them.

I think the whole process of elite sport has to be looked at again, the pressure on the perforers is too much.

If I had a child or grandchild who was good at a sport, I would think twice before encouraging them to pursue it too far. My DGD is a very good swimmer and as she reached 11 her swimming teacher was encourging her to join the local swimming club and start training there as she thought she had potential.

Fortunately, DGD decided herself she didn't want to do it because she said she knew people in the club and once you get started, swimming has to become your whole life outside school and she had too many other interests that she wanted to keep in her life.

Sorry doodle I was asking OP. She was sexually assaulted by the gymnastic physician who assaulted other gymnasts. It was also claimed that USA gymnastics had a role in covering it up. I think she has faced issues that many of us cant imagine.

To me it seems a similar thing to a bride calling off her wedding at the last minute. Awful at the time, for everybody, but better than making a mistake that could have potentially lifelong repercussions.

I just hope that Simone Biles hasn't watched or heard Piers Morgan talking about her, what an insensitive man he is, but there again it was on GB news so she probably hasn't. It must take a lot of 'guts' to withdraw from high level competition, worries about letting people down, about other potential competitors who could have got your place instead, all these factors must make the decision harder. Ben Stokes too I hear.

@Galaxy. Me neither, I was responding to the news that other athletes had followed suit, including a member of the British team. I don’t remember anything like this happening at previous Olympics and I was just wondering why now ?

@Doodledog. I see your point, but as someone with Bipolar which has particular triggers, I can also understand how stress in the workplace can lead to time off which is probably predictable, but nevertheless genuine. I handled it by moving to a less stressful position, but I suppose not everyone would be prepared to consider that as an option and a good manager should be on top of what’s going on in their workplace to support all concerned.

I was listening to a discussion on 5Live about this yesterday. In particular, they were discussing our girl who won a trampoline medal and who has struggled in the past with mental health issues. It’s called something else in trampolining but Simone Biles is going through the ‘Twisties’ which is the gymnastics equivalent.
I probably am not going to explain this very well but as I understand it, during a trampoline routine, the girl lost her orientation about thirty feet up in the air and had to abort the move to land safely.
Apparently she was unable to do that move when she next tried. It is very frightening to be ‘lost ‘ in mid air, not knowing where you are in relation to the floor. Her body issued a protection response which she could not overcome. It has taken her a long time to be able to perform that move again.
Similarly, golfers get the yips.

Presumably, Simone was performing to a high enough standard to be selected for the team but the added pressure (which she has handled in the past) tipped her over the balance point this time. It must be nigh on impossible to say when these episodes will occur.

Galaxy

Do you know Simone Biles history?

Me? No. I was responding to the general thrust of the thread.