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Adult DC potentially making me choose between them and partner

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EverybodyHatesMaureen Sat 30-Sept-23 10:29:47

Sorry for the long post

I’m a 57yo widow with 3 adult children all in their late 20’s/early 30’s, all of them have children.

My DH died 3.5 years ago, just before lockdown, from a heart attack. He was 55 and up until then, healthy - it was a huge shock for us all.

Digressing a bit - our marriage wasn’t easy when the kids were little. We both worked, but he did absolutely none of the raising of the kids. I did everything - cooking, bedtimes, cleaning, story time, school run, nativities etc. He would play dinosaurs or some fun game for 30 minutes of an evening and they thought he was the best thing ever while boring mummy was always cleaning. I used to beg him to chip in more but he refused - he was a bit of a chauvinist and I never left because, well, frankly I didn’t want the kids to be from a broken home. This is probably the story of so many women my age. I really hid, and still do hide, just how awful, lazy and unkind he could be. He was rubbish at parenting - the 30 minutes of being a dinosaur on an eveNing was usually too much for him. I did it all - the emotional and physical labour. He was tight with money, always treated himself and never me (my wages went into the many thing he didn’t realise kids cost such as sports clubs, shoes, school uniform etc). Even after I had major surgery I was still expected to pack lunches and do laundry - even when my stitches burst as a result. He just found it all very annoying that I wasn’t doing better at ‘Mumming’ even when on death’s door. He had some truly horrible moments. Anyway, it got better after the kids left home and we really found our spark again. But I would never, ever want my kids to be treated the way I was and in hindsight genre was too much I put up with.

This is relevant because they have always, but especially since his death put him - and our marriage - on a pedestal. They always talk to their partners about how me and DH were ‘couple goals’. My DD2 tells her boyfriend (who she met after DH died) that we were the perfect couple. I can only say I must have hidden our problems well for them to think that.

Anyway, I haven’t dated since his death. I’ve thrown myself into looking after my 5 grandchildren (I work PT 2 days a week and the other 3 days I have the 3 nursery aged one so my DC can save on childcare fees) which I absolutely love. I also do a lot of sleepovers so my kids can have date night. I am close to my DC and their partners, they all moved back home with me for the 1st lockdown as we’d just lost DH and we all really needed that time together. After they moved out I did feel lonelier than I thought, and have relied on friendships for company. As well as doing childcare, I help all the DC financially in various ways, including paying nursery fees for 2 DGC on days I work, DD1 gets money every month as something of an early inheritance and they’ve all had deposits/weddings etc paid for. Which I really don’t mind doing, especially as they always make the effort to see me.

Anyway, 6 months ago I ran into a man I haven’t seen in two decades. We were colleagues and really good friends. It was platonic as we were both married. We naturally drifted apart after he left the company. But running into him, there was a real spark and he has somehow got even better looking than he was. he’s been divorced a few years now and so we met up for a drink….and the rest is history.

Honestly, even for DH, I don’t think I’ve ever felt this way. DP is kind, attentive, generous and we have a really good laugh - and fantastic sex, something I was worried I’d never find again. I’ve been happier in these last six months than I have for a very, very long time. We have said we love each other and we both want a future. I never want to be married again but I would like to live with him at some point. He has an adult DD, who I’ve met and she is really lovely and supportive of us. I feel so lucky to find this happiness after a huge loss. I feel like I’m 20 again!

I hadn’t told my DC - which isn’t ideal. But I wanted to just enjoy my new relationship for what it was without worrying about upsetting other people or without other people’s opinions. My friends have met DP and think he’s amazing. I feel no guilt at all - had I been the one to die 3.5 years ago, DH would probably have had a new girlfriend and moved her in within six months! I also think my marriage was so, so hard and hate-filled at times that I deserve to have an easy and loving relationship.

Anyway, DP was staying over one night last week. I WFH, so does he, so on the night before my working days (ie when I don’t have the GC the next day) he will stay the night and work in my spare room the next day.

So it was 8am and we were both in our nightwear (me in an oversized shirt thing and him in boxers) having coffee in the kitchen. In walks DD1 with DGC. She’d tried to contact me to say DGC was ill and couldn’t go to nursery and would I have her. My phone was upstairs so she just brought her round (she has a key) and saw me and DP.

I knew the kids wouldn’t take it well but to say that what followed was total pandemonium would be an understatement. You’d think I’d been caught cheating. DD1 hit the roof. DP left (at my request) and DD1 called DS and DD2. Before I knew it they both came over (you’d think they’d have bloody work to do!). DS was actually crying at one point. I explained what had been happening and why I didn’t tell them. They saw it as cheating on their dad. Which is ridiculous. DD2 was completely repulsed that I was sexually active at ‘my age’. They couldn’t understand how I could do this when I’d had such a good marriage. Probably because I was being defensive and I felt they were ganging up on me, but I told them that our marriage wasn’t perfect and he could be really unpleasant actually and the only reason they don’t know that is because I protected them from it. Not a very wise move, but I just got sick of the same old ‘perfect marriage’ shite

I have no expectations of them meeting DP anytime soon, I told them that, but I was clear: this is MY life and I will love whomever I choose and what I do in the privacy of my own home is my business. I explained they all had their partners, their lives and little families but they forget that I have been lonely and could spend another 40 years on this Earth and I don’t want to do that alone.

They absolutely cannot see reason. They have thrown back in my face the fact they lived here during COVID to support me. They said it felt like I was cheating on DH. They said they can’t, and never will, accept I have a DP. They’ve said I’ve ‘suddenly decided DH was horrible’ and that my new DP must be planting this idea in my head because they’d never heard me badmouth their dad before. DS even messaged me yesterday to say he’s so against me having a new DP that he ‘doesn’t want to make me choose’ but he ‘feels it’s getting that way’ and his sisters agree. Mind you - it didn’t stop all of them dropping their kids off here for childcare this week. When they do drop them off, they barely look at me let alone speak to me. DS’s lovely wife has been great and thinks he’s being a dick (and has told him as much) but sadly it’s not enough to help him see how awful he’s being to me. I have no idea what my SIL’s think but according to DD’s they’re in agreement with them.

I do get they’re still grieving - I really do. But this is nothing to do with their dad. They have no right to make me choose or make me feel bad.

DP has been amazing through all this - he is happy to take it as slow as I want but at the same time he’s obviously feeling really disgusted with their behaviour and is defensive of me and he isn’t saying that but I can feel it.

Anyway - AIBU to refuse to give up my relationship if my DC give me an ultimatum? I feel bullied. Their dad used to bully me with manipulation sometimes and it makes me physically sick that they take after him that way. I would of course (hypothetically) be heartbroken to lose them and DGC - but I really feel like this ultimatum is calling my bluff. I really can’t see them following through for more than a couple of days - then they will need childcare/money/a favour/a lift. It seems THEIR love is conditional except all the conditions fall on me and not them. And the conditions are that they get everything from me and I forgo my right to a private life of my own.

I’m utterly heartbroken. what the hell do I do?

Sapphire24 Tue 10-Oct-23 07:31:40

If I were in your shoes if the children ever calm down enough to be able to talk them, I'd tell them you were waiting to see if the relationship went anywhere before introducing DP to them.
Being blunt it seems like you're allowing your children to treat you/behave as their father did. By that I mean they can barely look at you when dropping DG off but yet they are still happy to let you look after the children.
I personally feel they are more concerned about the impact on their lives rather than anything to do with you 'cheating' on their dad.
I'd be telling them that until they are prepared to have a decent discussion about the future then all contact stops including the babysitting.
This maybe harsh but can you really let them dictate the rest of your life?.
Good luck and let us know how you get on

Mama2020 Sat 07-Oct-23 00:05:12

Oh my goodness. I’m so sorry you’re being put in this position. No, you’re not being unreasonable. Your children are grown adults and should recognize that you’re an adult with hopes, wants and needs, too.

Callistemon21 Tue 03-Oct-23 16:48:39

Excellent post, Dickens

Smileless2012 Tue 03-Oct-23 12:05:36

Great post Dickens. Maybe inheritance is part of the problem and if so, is just one example of a sense of entitlement.

Inheritance is a gift, not a right and this mother's personal happiness should be her children's priority.

Pythagorus Tue 03-Oct-23 11:35:13

You know what to do.
What would you tell a friend who came to you with this problem.
What would your children do if you said you didn’t like their partner and it was you or the partner?
You have been bullied all your life.
Are you going to continue to be bullied?
I think you will find it hard to change the habits of a lifetime. But you can if you really want to.
Your children sound very immature, line teenagers.

rafichagran Tue 03-Oct-23 11:29:00

Well put Dickens, the adult children are looking out for their own interests, free childcare, bank of Mum, and God forbid their inheritance.

They have their own key and they want to run your life, and its for their benefit. I still cannot get over your son crying, it is pathetic and manipulative in equal measures.

I would like you said, carry on seeing this man, I would expect them to show respect, and I would make it clear that in your home they have manners. I would also say if they cannot behave decently I will not be doing childcare or being so free financially. They need you more than you need them.

My children were delighted when I introduced my partner, but I did not do as much for them, maybe they need a lesson and a reality check.

Going forward I hope it sorts itself out and you and your new partner are happy.

Dickens Tue 03-Oct-23 09:31:30

"hem" = them

The 't' key doesn't always 'respond'!

Dickens Tue 03-Oct-23 09:28:58

Just reading the OP again - and the replies. What struck me is the sense of entitlement of adult children.

Generally speaking, both women and men have been subjected to the 'I-will-never-accept-your-new-partner' syndrome because it upsets their 'cosy' happy-childhood memories.

If 'Maureen' were to accept the emotional blackmail and end her relationship in order to preserve their fond memories and be allowed to be part of their and their children's lives - they, the adult children, would effectively be dictating how she lives her future life - which would be according to their needs and their wants.

So imagine reversing this situation - Maureen telling her AC that she disapproved of their partner(s) or some aspect of the way they were conducting their lives and threatened to cut the ties unless they ended their relationships or changed the way they lived... wouldn't most people find that totally unacceptable? Isn't it a truth that once adult children have left home, they are then independent from parental control? Should they not then also respect the fact that Mum (or Dad) has done their duty as a parent and is entitled to full agency over their own lives as they, the AC, feel entitled to themselves?

Both women and men sometimes protect their children from the reality of a less-than-perfect relationship whilst they are growing up to allow a stable environment. Are they expected to keep up the pretence for the remainder of their lives?

It was unfortunate that the new man was 'introduced' to the AC in the way it happened, but they, the AC, need to understand that personal relationships can't always be compartmentalised neatly to suit the the lives of others.

The very fact that they had a free-run of their parental home and could walk in without knocking or a prior warning, indicates that they had no concept or recognition that their mother was an individual in her own right. She was just expected to be there for them, as 'Mum' and Grandmother, when it suited.

So imagine Maureen gives in and ends her relationship, what then? Is there to be a vetting process for further relationships? Does she have to be happy with simply being 'Mum' and Grandmother so that they can feel comfortable whilst they get on with their own lives? When your children have flown the nest - how much of your life do you still owe hem?

EverybodyHatesMaureen Tue 03-Oct-23 08:32:17

crazyH

I hope your DP is not after your money. Make sure your children’s inheritance is protected.

What a bizarre post

lemsip Tue 03-Oct-23 07:23:14

rosie you should be replying to the op!

Whiff Tue 03-Oct-23 06:45:23

Some adult children are deaf and blind to their own faults and think they are perfect. Perfectly behaved,perfect relationships,perfect children. And us as parents should be at their beck and call. News flash just because we are parents doesn't mean we can't have a life of our own no matter how old we get.

Like Allsorts I have never wanted another man after my husband died. That's my choice. But I know a few people after the death of their much loved spouse they found love again and someone to spend the rest of their lives together. They didn't go looking it just happened and the couples I know it just started with friendship and blossomed in love. Only one couple neither of their children would accept their parents could have a new love . So they don't get to see their children or grandchildren. They thought by doing that it would break them up. But instead they got married. They invited their children and grandchildren to the wedding but of course they didn't go. In fact the woman's daughter sent a note saying if she was cut out of her mom's will she would have her declared insane.

So of course she has been cut out of her mom's will and the letter her daughter sent is with the with with the solicitor.

Some children view parents as banks and free childcare. They think it is their right.

My husband and I got our house and everything we had by ourselves. No financial help from our parents . We went without and worked hard to get what we had. My parents did baby sit when our daughter was small twice a year on our anniversary and when we went to get her Christmas presents. Rest of the time we saw both sets of parents as a family.

Maureen if your children have a go at you again. Time for you to set new rules. As much as you love your children and grandchildren if they won't accept your partner and the happiness you have in your life. Tell them they can no longer just walk into your house , and if they don't like the fact their mom is happy then they may want to find new childcare and withdrawal all financial support. The look on their faces would be priceless . They are treating you like a naughty child by their behaviour. Time to remind them you are a woman first and mom / nannie second. You have wants and needs the same as everyone else. And it's your choice to see who you want you don't need their permission or approval . And if they don't like it then keep their remarks to themselves. Yes you risk losing your children but I suspect they won't want to lose the childcare or money.

But you live your life how you want and hold on the happiness you and your partner have . Some people live their whole lives and never have that.

Wishing you a long and happy relationship with your partner.

Allsorts Tue 03-Oct-23 04:31:59

Do think your children are too dependant on you, to say they will come round because they rely on you too much, need tge financial assistance sounds like you were in your marriage.
I personally am very open and would have told them right from the first, it must have been awful for your d catching you both together in the home where she had been part of for all her life, can't you see how it would affect her, she loved her father and you should have told them all. As you say she will have to talk because of the money she would have to pay in child care and so will all your children as they need you. As for them accepting your partner I wouldn't bank on it. At 57 there's a lot of years ahead hopefully, your children will eventually not need the money for childcare and manage without your financial assistance, which I think they should have done from the start, but that's your decision. On your own it does become lonely . I was widowed young and have never sought a partner, mine was wonderful, but I do feel very much on my own. However I am not really part of my children's lives anymore.
I would in your shoes, carry on with your relationship, you are happy and is your future, I just don't think things can be as they were with your children though. You sound like a swan, serene on top of the water but paddling hard underneath, but people only see what they see , they are not mind readers. Your children don't need to be told how bad their dad was, to them he wasn't, he was their much loved dad.

Ali08 Tue 03-Oct-23 03:48:10

I'm wondering how your DC would feel if you turned the tables on them and started demanding they not be with their respective DPs?
How dare THEY have s*x when they have DC in the house?
How dare THEY have friends and fun?
Of course they miss their dad, but you're still young, albeit no spring chicken but definitely not that old that you can't have a life and fun, friends and relationships!!
If it was me in your position I'd tell remind them what they'd miss out on if they were to decide to go cold shoulder on you, like the free babysitting, lifts here & there, the money you willingly give to them, not to mention their mum, who has been there for them through thick & thin!!
I wonder if they'll stop having s*x soon, as it seems to have an age limit on it?
It's time to put yourself first, I think you've deserved that, and let them see what they COULD lose by trying to run your life for you!!
Enjoy yourself, you're not decrepit yet!

rafichagran Tue 03-Oct-23 00:56:57

lemsip

why do posters keep 'quoting other posts'?
just say what you want to say for goodness sake!

Because they feel it is relevant.

Rosie51 Tue 03-Oct-23 00:54:53

lemsip

why do posters keep 'quoting other posts'?
just say what you want to say for goodness sake!

Just checked back and this is your first and only contribution to this thread. I wonder what the point was? Was there even a point?

Rosie51 Tue 03-Oct-23 00:46:54

lemsip

why do posters keep 'quoting other posts'?
just say what you want to say for goodness sake!

Maybe to clarify what has prompted their reply? Too often it's not clear to whom someone is replying. Have you anything to add to the conversation or did you just come on to criticise?

lemsip Tue 03-Oct-23 00:41:39

why do posters keep 'quoting other posts'?
just say what you want to say for goodness sake!

Rosie51 Tue 03-Oct-23 00:31:36

crazyH

I hope your DP is not after your money. Make sure your children’s inheritance is protected.

What a horrible thing to say! The way the 'children' are behaving, wanting mum to live a lonely, nun-like existence for the next 30 years plus, I'd say spend every penny on yourself, leave them nowt.

crazyH Mon 02-Oct-23 23:52:41

I hope your DP is not after your money. Make sure your children’s inheritance is protected.

Rosie51 Mon 02-Oct-23 23:44:52

EverybodyHatesMaureen

Thank you all for your wonderful support.

Today is a babysitting day so DD & DS brought the GC round and were as off with me as they have been the last week. I told them it has to stop, I won’t be pressured into giving up a man who makes me happy and if they didn’t like it that’s their prerogative and I can’t help what action they choose from now but I certainly won’t be swaying them either way.
Im not convinced it worked. They just looked annoyed and said “Well that’s fine then”. I’m still babysitting tomorrow so they can’t have been that wedded to the idea of disowning me.

Also - this will sound petty - i think I have been ghosted by them on WhatsApp! We have a group me DC and their DPs and theyve barely posted since they found out about my DP. They used to post daily - mainly silly memes to each other - but it’s been radio silence except for drop-off instructions. I reckon they’ve got a new one without me.

My friend suggested I should add DP to the group just to be a shit but I think they’d never speak to me again 😂

Tempting as it must be don't add him to the group grin I expect you're right about the new WhatsApp group. Sneaky buggers! I think I'd be tempted to say I'm feeling very overwhelmed by all this discord so won't be available for babysitting next week, I know you'll understand, and only want what's best for me. Let them squirm out of that one. What happens if you're too poorly to care for their children? Everyone gets ill sometimes, I assume they have contingency plans?

Callistemon21 Mon 02-Oct-23 23:01:17

My friend suggested I should add DP to the group just to be a shit but I think they’d never speak to me again 😂
That might be a red rag to already enraged bulls 😲

Fleur20 Mon 02-Oct-23 22:56:45

In practical terms they need you much more than you need them.
I would suggest you give them to the end of the week to get over themselves, then lay down some firm new ground rules.
They are either civil, communicative and inclusive or you impose sanctions(!).... of your choice. But they will have to grow up either way.. adults do not get to behave like this without consequences...neither to adult children! 😉.
Stay strong. You have this.

EverybodyHatesMaureen Mon 02-Oct-23 21:44:36

Thank you all for your wonderful support.

Today is a babysitting day so DD & DS brought the GC round and were as off with me as they have been the last week. I told them it has to stop, I won’t be pressured into giving up a man who makes me happy and if they didn’t like it that’s their prerogative and I can’t help what action they choose from now but I certainly won’t be swaying them either way.
Im not convinced it worked. They just looked annoyed and said “Well that’s fine then”. I’m still babysitting tomorrow so they can’t have been that wedded to the idea of disowning me.

Also - this will sound petty - i think I have been ghosted by them on WhatsApp! We have a group me DC and their DPs and theyve barely posted since they found out about my DP. They used to post daily - mainly silly memes to each other - but it’s been radio silence except for drop-off instructions. I reckon they’ve got a new one without me.

My friend suggested I should add DP to the group just to be a shit but I think they’d never speak to me again 😂

rosie1959 Mon 02-Oct-23 14:12:16

My DD met someone in about the same time frame as you OP he was open with me about the relationship from day one. I never had a problem with it why should he be alone in later life didn’t he deserve to find happiness again. My DD and his wife spent around 15 years together and they enjoyed the time they had. She cared for him as dementia gradually took him away in a personal way that would have been more difficult for me and him. I now do the same for her now she is over 90 and needing more help. She does have her own family but my DD knew I would carry on supporting her.

Norah Mon 02-Oct-23 13:55:13

I'd not call a family meeting. Your new relationship really is none of their business and could end anyway. Less said, soonest mended.