Rishi addressing the nation.

Sometimes posts are quite long and you just want to quote a bit of it. I have done that by Copy and Paste, but I do try to remember to give the poster's name/time of posting. Haven't worked out how to get an incomplete post into italics or bold yet, but I'm working on it.

Oreo

MaizieD

Could I make a plea for posters to either use the 'quote' function (top far right above each post, reproduces the whole post in a box) or to format the bit of someone else's post they want to quote and comment on, by either making it bold or italic.

It's getting really confusing trying to work out who is saying what in some posts.

(Instructions for bold and italic are at the bottom of every forum page)

I agree and easy enough to sort out.
Cossy if you click on the quote it will make it clear which post you’re replying to.

MaizieD said
It's getting really confusing trying to work out who is saying what in some posts.

Yes, I agree, I asked on another thread too. It is becoming very confusing.

Dickens

Is it possible to be critical of a faith, a culture, a government, a party - and not be accused of bigotry?

It should be. In a rational and civilised environment, it should be.

For decades we (the collective 'we') have tip-toed around matters that should have been debated judiciously - insisting they are non-existant, a figment of an illiberal, fanatical, mind-set; we have ignored or glossed over verbal and physical abuse of minorities, of women, of religious adherents, of communities. We have determined that criticism of the Right is unquestionable proof that you are of the Left (and contrariwise), etc, etc.

In this environment, cogent and coherent voices have been silenced, or silenced themselves for fear of censure or ridicule. And in that vacuum, extremism and fanaticism has had a field-day. Politicians (all stripes), with their fingers on the pulse of 'public concern' have utilised that zealotry and obsessiveness for their own and their party's agenda.

And here we are now.

I don't understand a word of this.
I have never ignored abuses of minorities.
I don't know many people who do (perhaps on GN?)

On the other hand I have never attributed that abuse to any particular religious or racial group. Even the group I consider responsible for many of the world's ills ( rich white men) I would acknowledge have some redeeming members. There are sections of people in every culture, religion, race, gender and sex who behave badly. It is assuming that any group is incapable of doing so, or that any group is composed of entirely of such people that is the problem.

Politicians have always played to the crowd and utilised prejudice. It comes with the job.

Extremely repetitive

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

he truth is that extremism takes many forms and for too long we have accepted it here in Britain. Screaming mobs baying for blood outside schools, teachers having to go into protection schemes, their careers in tatters. Parents terrified because their child scuffed a Qur’an. Mobs threatening a kebab shop. It’s insidious.

A young man was verbally attacked on the a tube (London Underground) this week, he was wearing a Kippah (sp). He was screamed at that he was responsible for killing babies in Gaza.

Everyone has the right to go about their daily lives without fear of intimidation or being in receipt of racial discrimination.

Glorianny this was my post.

Are you now policing who and what posts I reply to?

So if you repost something replying to that post you are not endorsing it?
I'm not policing anything, simply looking at who said what.
If I repost and agree with someone I would generally say that I had said or agreed with that statement.
Obviously you have different ideas.

I assume you are now saying that the statement about a Jewish father is untrue and your comment about a Muslim being news is also unwarranted. Because in the incident with a Jewish father a Muslim mother is also abused. That seems to have slipped by you.

You seem unable to grasp the fact that there are two different incidents being discussed on this thread.

You might think it’s clever to twist peoples posts to suit your agenda, but in fact it is becoming rather tiresome and repetitive.

MaizieD

Could I make a plea for posters to either use the 'quote' function (top far right above each post, reproduces the whole post in a box) or to format the bit of someone else's post they want to quote and comment on, by either making it bold or italic.

It's getting really confusing trying to work out who is saying what in some posts.

(Instructions for bold and italic are at the bottom of every forum page)

I agree and easy enough to sort out.
Cossy if you click on the quote it will make it clear which post you’re replying to.

Is it possible to be critical of a faith, a culture, a government, a party - and not be accused of bigotry?

It should be. In a rational and civilised environment, it should be.

For decades we (the collective 'we') have tip-toed around matters that should have been debated judiciously - insisting they are non-existant, a figment of an illiberal, fanatical, mind-set; we have ignored or glossed over verbal and physical abuse of minorities, of women, of religious adherents, of communities. We have determined that criticism of the Right is unquestionable proof that you are of the Left (and contrariwise), etc, etc.

In this environment, cogent and coherent voices have been silenced, or silenced themselves for fear of censure or ridicule. And in that vacuum, extremism and fanaticism has had a field-day. Politicians (all stripes), with their fingers on the pulse of 'public concern' have utilised that zealotry and obsessiveness for their own and their party's agenda.

And here we are now.

GrannyGravy13

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

he truth is that extremism takes many forms and for too long we have accepted it here in Britain. Screaming mobs baying for blood outside schools, teachers having to go into protection schemes, their careers in tatters. Parents terrified because their child scuffed a Qur’an. Mobs threatening a kebab shop. It’s insidious.

A young man was verbally attacked on the a tube (London Underground) this week, he was wearing a Kippah (sp). He was screamed at that he was responsible for killing babies in Gaza.

Everyone has the right to go about their daily lives without fear of intimidation or being in receipt of racial discrimination.

Glorianny this was my post.

Are you now policing who and what posts I reply to?

So if you repost something replying to that post you are not endorsing it?
I'm not policing anything, simply looking at who said what.
If I repost and agree with someone I would generally say that I had said or agreed with that statement.
Obviously you have different ideas.

I assume you are now saying that the statement about a Jewish father is untrue and your comment about a Muslim being news is also unwarranted. Because in the incident with a Jewish father a Muslim mother is also abused. That seems to have slipped by you.

I deliberately said majority Mollygo because I know some of our Gransnetters do have limited means and do struggle. However it appears to me from what many Gransnetters post that they are not struggling and in fact are quite comfortable. I count myself in this group, although I don’t have a second home or huge wealth.
My point, which I know you understood Molly was that criticism of the PM for not having to worry about his bills was unfair since most of us don’t need to worry about them either. Especially since we’ve been awarded £500 again this year, simply because we’re pensioners, although I also know some Gransnetters are not yet pensioners. I think you may be in this group as I think you’re still teaching. Sorry if I’ve got it wrong.

Maddyone at 9.45
When you said neither do the majority of you it rang so true and not just for the instances you mentioned.
On GN, we discuss poverty, food banks etc. whilst talking about our new cars, holiday homes, holidays and expensive cosmetics, gym membership etc. The gym I pay membership at is busy everyday with young mums and dads arriving in big cars, using the equipment, drinking endless coffees or taking their babies swimming. Do they know what it’s like to need a food bank?
We don’t really understand things until they impact on us personally. Health care is a good example of that. Many of us have experienced the problems of waiting lists, dentists, doctor’s appointments etc.
How can we get any PM or MP to understand what it’s like to be hungry when they can claim expenses for travelling or living or can eat in the HoC and how could they acquire that knowledge in a meaningful way and translate the knowledge into actions that would help?

GrannyGravy13
asked
Glorianny

Are you now policing who and what posts I reply to?

Yup GG13-looks like it!

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

he truth is that extremism takes many forms and for too long we have accepted it here in Britain. Screaming mobs baying for blood outside schools, teachers having to go into protection schemes, their careers in tatters. Parents terrified because their child scuffed a Qur’an. Mobs threatening a kebab shop. It’s insidious.

A young man was verbally attacked on the a tube (London Underground) this week, he was wearing a Kippah (sp). He was screamed at that he was responsible for killing babies in Gaza.

Everyone has the right to go about their daily lives without fear of intimidation or being in receipt of racial discrimination.

Glorianny this was my post.

Are you now policing who and what posts I reply to?

GrannyGravy13

Anniebach

The young Jewish father isn’t worth discussing, he is a Jew

Obviously not Anniebach but I hazard a guess that if he had been a Muslim it would be front page news…

Funny you posted this!!

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny the transport police are investigating the incident as antisemitism.

Cosy's incidence is an entirely different one. There is no evidence of a child. It is a Muslim youth insulting a Jewish man. An awful example of anti-semitism but completely unconnected with the incident of the Jewish father which I posted about and which seemed to be the one under discussion until now.

Glorianny I never mentioned in my post regarding an incident on the tube that there was a child involved, that was another poster.

“”GrannyGravy13

Crossed posts Cossy I have limited signal due to being a football club with GC””

No worries! I hope you’re wrapped up warm 😊

“”kazzerb

Too little too late. This Country has gone completely to the dogs and will never be the same ever again I feel. I am terrified for the future of my Grandchildren.””

What are you terrified about for your grandchildren??

Too little too late. This Country has gone completely to the dogs and will never be the same ever again I feel. I am terrified for the future of my Grandchildren.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny the transport police are investigating the incident as antisemitism.

Cosy's incidence is an entirely different one. There is no evidence of a child. It is a Muslim youth insulting a Jewish man. An awful example of anti-semitism but completely unconnected with the incident of the Jewish father which I posted about and which seemed to be the one under discussion until now.

Gmere64

It was a good speech, in that it voiced the opinion of many people, who feel they can't go out without being faced with shouting, placards, and general in-your-face aggression. Depends where you live, of course. I thought it was brave, to be honest, but he'll be getting a great deal of threats and hate I expect.

I’m sure he will get many threats but his level of securit6 is pretty much watertight, you can’t provide that level for all MPs or other high profile people.

Crossed posts Cossy I have limited signal due to being a football club with GC

Glorianny the transport police are investigating the incident as antisemitism.

ca.news.yahoo.com/british-transport-police-investigate-shocking-093002908.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMG4LQznJDtplQQplZxroVL3KG7JXvUM_UkCOJy4HtHp7_jjZhM1yuP3N7ie43s5hcHZBY_7EYVXP-jdIEmOgMsffnp3tYc2Bct7Bp_92_UXnIQVOG2tZ2xufu0PKlVRafF7CwoFUhuErQy9s-uUbdD6Pv083P4tbHe0FS757rCe

Is this the one? It is awful and it is to be condemned and has rightly been reported as Hate Crime and is being investigated by the police

Glorianny who are these ^some people?

GrannyGravy13

Cossy

“A true example of how Muslims support Jewish people.
The man is just as abusive to the Muslim woman I wonder why that isn't in your post?”

Oh I wonder? 🫢

Maybe because it’s a different incident ?

So post the incident you are referring to.
This is what comes up when you put Jewish father abused on Tube into a search If there is another post evidence of it.
Otherwise it is a Christian who abuses both a Jew and a Muslim.
Which I can see wouldn't fit some people's preconceptions.

It was a good speech, in that it voiced the opinion of many people, who feel they can't go out without being faced with shouting, placards, and general in-your-face aggression. Depends where you live, of course. I thought it was brave, to be honest, but he'll be getting a great deal of threats and hate I expect.