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To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

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TerriBull Fri 19-Apr-24 10:46:31

An openly Jewish man wearing a skull cap was trying to cross the road where a pro Palestine march was taking place. He was stopped by a Met Officer who threatened to arrest the man for breaching the peace because of his openly Jewish appearance. He was merely trying to cross the road. Yes tensions run high amongst these demonstrations, but this person is a citizen going about their daily life. Why should the onus be on him to disappear, surely that onus should be on the demonstrators not to target individuals to take out any grievances. Possibly the Officer was trying to head off any clashes, but I think there is something worryingly wrong and discriminatory in telling a demographic, any demographic, they are not free to move about on the streets of their own country.

Your thoughts on the matter.

grannybuy Tue 23-Apr-24 00:19:08

He wasn’t going to be arrested for being ‘ openly Jewish’. It was because he was refusing to stay put, rightly or wrongly, instead of crossing the road whereupon, according to the policeman, someone on the March might just be antagonised by someone who was ‘openly Jewish ‘, which might in turn have lead to a disturbance. I dare say the police have experienced such incidents.

Anniebach Mon 22-Apr-24 23:44:09

Denial of anti semitism is frightening, the same happened in the 30’s,then came the Ghettos , then came the Holocaust

growstuff Mon 22-Apr-24 22:46:00

GrannyGravy13

^Another question. If there had been no display of antisemitism - would the Jewish journalist have been there^

Again an excellent question, which I doubt we will get an answer.

Gideon Falter was not being provocative, he wanted to film the protest, to prove that antisemitic slogans and banners are being blatantly paraded through our capital city, but according to some he is in the wrong?

We are stepping back in time, know your place, stay in your area, t some streets/areas are not for you on your sabbath, what a shameful message to send to the Jewish community.

So why did he deliberately walk into the road against the flow of the demonstration? He could have stood on the pavement with his crew and filmed them.

Skye17 Mon 22-Apr-24 22:34:14

GSM

Feeling intimidated by these marches is not exclusive to the Jewish community.

I don’t live near London and haven’t been there since 7 October. But if I did want to go, I’m sure I’d feel more anxious about it if I was Jewish than I do as a non-Jewish person imagining going. Especially as apparently the route of the march changes every week, making it harder to avoid.

Skye17 Mon 22-Apr-24 22:27:42

Iam64

GG and Callistemon - I agree with your posts

Me too!

Itsactuallyhappening Mon 22-Apr-24 20:16:32

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Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 20:14:20

The two issues are entirely separate.

Anniebach Mon 22-Apr-24 20:14:06

GSM his ethnicity should be irrelevant it’s 2024

Anniebach Mon 22-Apr-24 20:11:56

I heard him but was so upset for Doreen Lawrence let down yet
again

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 20:11:31

Do you have a problem with such a high ranking officer being black Annie? His ethnicity is relevant in this context.

AGAA4 Mon 22-Apr-24 19:51:29

Anniebach

A black former chief superintendent, he was black?

Yes. I mentioned he was black as he was working on the Stephen Lawrence case and is involved in ethnicity.

Anniebach Mon 22-Apr-24 19:47:35

A black former chief superintendent, he was black?

AGAA4 Mon 22-Apr-24 19:43:54

A black former Chief Superintendent said on BBC news this morning "I would have arrested him for assault".
He barged into the policeman twice.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 19:43:25

AGAA4

The BBC footage shows him barging into the policeman to get through.

A policeman speaking on Sky News said he considered that to be an assault on the police officer.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 19:41:35

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Silvergirl Mon 22-Apr-24 19:40:21

Channel 4 news have footage of Falter doing this on various occasions with other officers. It does appear very staged.

AGAA4 Mon 22-Apr-24 19:40:18

The BBC footage shows him barging into the policeman to get through.

Silvergirl Mon 22-Apr-24 19:38:23

Baiting the police comes across as offensive to. The police officer did an excellent job under difficult circumstances.

Wyllow3 Mon 22-Apr-24 19:32:41

We've all agreed on that. However a great deal more is going on.
"I can do whatever the hell I want. If I want to walk to that pavement [pointing across the road], that’s what I’m going to do, and you’re going to have to arrest me. [Falter then attempts to breach a police cordon.]"

Anniebach Mon 22-Apr-24 19:03:27

Openly Jewish is offensive,

Wyllow3 Mon 22-Apr-24 19:01:48

I'd like to read the full transcript, but I already have taken away a different - fuller - picture than the one Falter released.

AGAA4 Mon 22-Apr-24 18:47:41

I think people can take words out of context and find them offensive when the intention to insult wasn't there. I have heard a black woman calling her DH a silly old nigger while giving him a hug.
Was openly Jewish meant to insult? I don't believe so.
People take offence far too easily these days which makes light of the truly horrible racist, antisemitic words that are spoken.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 18:44:20

That is edited. The Sky video and accompanying transcript are far more reliable, and unbiased.

Wyllow3 Mon 22-Apr-24 18:40:12

I have found details of the transcript (not the whole 30 mins, but much more detail) of the contested video) thought it might be helpful

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/22/met-officer-antisemitism-campaigner-gideon-falter-longer-video-sky-news

Paperbackwriter Mon 22-Apr-24 18:25:38

Anniebach

Ramadan celebrated in London with lights , at Easter

I think you'll find that was Eid, the festival at the end of Ramadan. Also, what is your point? Should it NOT be celebrated?