To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

Anniebach

The man is active against semitism , this is wrong ?

Of course not, but it’s a matter of how you go about it. He tried to provoke trouble and he tried to deceive with his ‘edited highlights’. Many were deceived until the full picture emerged with the Sky video. Some still refuse to see him for what he is. And that is not an antisemitic statement - I would say the same of anyone who tries to deceive and thereby lose others their jobs, whatever the person’s faith, race or cause. He has shown himself to lack integrity.

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Anniebach

The police officer feared the marchers, the answer is
‘Remove openly Jewish ‘ .

No. Prevent obviously Jewish person from getting amongst militant antisemites who shouting antisemitic abuse at him. For his own protection and to prevent a breach of the peace.

Which brings us to the question:

Why are anti-semites allowed to march in this country?
I realise not all protestors are anti-semitic but a good proportion are.

That Callistemon21 is the million $ question that I have asked numerous times over numerous similar threads, as of yet no answer has been provided.

When are people going to understand the lessons of the past?

Come for one minority, and next it will be another, and another until it is everyone

How long before we ask jews not to leave the areas they live and shop? For their safety?

Would this be considered a ghetto? Or a precaution for their own health and well being?

Too many crimes on the statute books that don't result in actually criminality.

Just there to set a precedent, to warn others not to step out of line.

A police officer remove a man from a crowd he considered to be violent, the man is threatened with arrest the crowd carries
on

Germanshepherdsmum

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

teachkate

This young man was being deliberately provocative and argumentative.
I thought the police officer dealt with the difficult situation in a very quiet, tolerant, patient and professional manner - plus the young man wasn’t just wearing a kippah he was also carrying something wrapped in some red velvet material which had Hebrew writing on the front ??? The Torah perhaps? Anyway something which I’m sure he doesn’t carry around everyday!

Read the reports.
It was a prayer shawl, a tallit. Is that not allowed to be carried in the UK in case it offends someone?

Then look at the photos of the protestors too and think about what you just said.

I am absolutely speechless.

Imagine telling a Muslim not to wear a hijab, veil or burqa because it is provocative.

Imagine telling the pro Palestinians not to wear the Keffiyeh or wave their national flag because it is provocative.

However, it is reasonable to warn a Jewish man that he is outwardly Jewish looking due to his Kippah, and the fact he was carrying his tallit (Jewish prayer shawl) on his way back from the synagogue.

He was proving a point that pro-Palestinians are giving preference over Jews when it comes to freedom of movement in the U.K.

A very dangerous and frightening precedent…

But nobody told him not to wear a kippah. He was, as you say is reasonable, warned that wanting to walk through the march, with some marchers shouting antisemitic abuse, was likely to cause trouble given his obviously Jewish appearance. But he wanted trouble didn’t he, so that he could publicise it? Why couldn’t he have had the march filmed safely from the pavement (as Sky did) and publish the resulting video? The antisemitic chanting and abuse would have been heard. Because obviously that wasn’t enough for him. He was prepared to risk injury to himself and his companions in his search for something more newsworthy. He wasn’t proving that pro-Palestinians are given preference over Jews. He ended up proving that our police try to protect members of the public without fear or favour.

He was prepared to risk injury to himself and his companions in his search for proof that anti-semitism is alive and thriving in the UK.

He was prepared to risk injury to himself
Isn't that what martyrs do?

DiamondLily

The policeman did right. He offered to escort the man across the road, after the procession had passed.

This man is an activist, and the whole thing looks a bit contrived.🙄

Gideon Falter is Chief Executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism it’s a stain on the U.K. that there is a need for his organisation in 2024…

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

teachkate

This young man was being deliberately provocative and argumentative.
I thought the police officer dealt with the difficult situation in a very quiet, tolerant, patient and professional manner - plus the young man wasn’t just wearing a kippah he was also carrying something wrapped in some red velvet material which had Hebrew writing on the front ??? The Torah perhaps? Anyway something which I’m sure he doesn’t carry around everyday!

Read the reports.
It was a prayer shawl, a tallit. Is that not allowed to be carried in the UK in case it offends someone?

Then look at the photos of the protestors too and think about what you just said.

I am absolutely speechless.

Imagine telling a Muslim not to wear a hijab, veil or burqa because it is provocative.

Imagine telling the pro Palestinians not to wear the Keffiyeh or wave their national flag because it is provocative.

However, it is reasonable to warn a Jewish man that he is outwardly Jewish looking due to his Kippah, and the fact he was carrying his tallit (Jewish prayer shawl) on his way back from the synagogue.

He was proving a point that pro-Palestinians are giving preference over Jews when it comes to freedom of movement in the U.K.

A very dangerous and frightening precedent…

But nobody told him not to wear a kippah. He was, as you say is reasonable, warned that wanting to walk through the march, with some marchers shouting antisemitic abuse, was likely to cause trouble given his obviously Jewish appearance. But he wanted trouble didn’t he, so that he could publicise it? Why couldn’t he have had the march filmed safely from the pavement (as Sky did) and publish the resulting video? The antisemitic chanting and abuse would have been heard. Because obviously that wasn’t enough for him. He was prepared to risk injury to himself and his companions in his search for something more newsworthy. He wasn’t proving that pro-Palestinians are given preference over Jews. He ended up proving that our police try to protect members of the public without fear or favour.

DiamondLily

The policeman did right. He offered to escort the man across the road, after the procession had passed.

This man is an activist, and the whole thing looks a bit contrived.🙄

If there was no hatred and anti-semitism there would have been no need for any action on Falter's part.
Jews in this country are not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government.

Unless it is highlighted it will just carry on worsening in an insidious way.

Meanwhile a man in Romford has been arrested for vile comments to Muslim women…openly Muslim women by the way! So that’s fine and dandy, the police are non partisan when it suits!

The man is active against semitism , this is wrong ?

The policeman did right. He offered to escort the man across the road, after the procession had passed.

This man is an activist, and the whole thing looks a bit contrived.🙄

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Anniebach

The police officer feared the marchers, the answer is
‘Remove openly Jewish ‘ .

No. Prevent obviously Jewish person from getting amongst militant antisemites who shouting antisemitic abuse at him. For his own protection and to prevent a breach of the peace.

Which brings us to the question:

Why are anti-semites allowed to march in this country?
I realise not all protestors are anti-semitic but a good proportion are.

That Callistemon21 is the million $ question that I have asked numerous times over numerous similar threads, as of yet no answer has been provided.

Germanshepherdsmum

Anniebach

The police officer feared the marchers, the answer is
‘Remove openly Jewish ‘ .

No. Prevent obviously Jewish person from getting amongst militant antisemites who shouting antisemitic abuse at him. For his own protection and to prevent a breach of the peace.

Which brings us to the question:

Why are anti-semites allowed to march in this country?
I realise not all protestors are anti-semitic but a good proportion are.

Anniebach

The police officer feared the marchers, the answer is
‘Remove openly Jewish ‘ .

No. Prevent obviously Jewish person from getting amongst militant antisemites who shouting antisemitic abuse at him. For his own protection and to prevent a breach of the peace.

The opposite of Openly Jewish must be Secretly Jewish

Iam64

GG and Callistemon - I agree with your posts

What has happened to tolerance, Iam64?

What is happening is really depressing.

GG and Callistemon - I agree with your posts

My sympathy right now is with the patient, experienced sergeant who tried to prevent a breach of the peace, or a possible riot. Using the phrase openly Jewish was unfortunate but accurate.
These marches have the potential for violence. The peace is maintained by a light touch from police and the fact the majority don’t want riots
It really troubles me that one way in which peace is kept is by allowing offensive, anti semitic chants, hurling the kind of verbal abuse GF was subjected to.
I understand why many criticise GF as deliberately looking to provoke. Surely though, these demonstrations are making central London a no go area for Jewish people, other than those who join the pro Palestinian groups

Callistemon21

teachkate

This young man was being deliberately provocative and argumentative.
I thought the police officer dealt with the difficult situation in a very quiet, tolerant, patient and professional manner - plus the young man wasn’t just wearing a kippah he was also carrying something wrapped in some red velvet material which had Hebrew writing on the front ??? The Torah perhaps? Anyway something which I’m sure he doesn’t carry around everyday!

Read the reports.
It was a prayer shawl, a tallit. Is that not allowed to be carried in the UK in case it offends someone?

Then look at the photos of the protestors too and think about what you just said.

I am absolutely speechless.

Imagine telling a Muslim not to wear a hijab, veil or burqa because it is provocative.

Imagine telling the pro Palestinians not to wear the Keffiyeh or wave their national flag because it is provocative.

However, it is reasonable to warn a Jewish man that he is outwardly Jewish looking due to his Kippah, and the fact he was carrying his tallit (Jewish prayer shawl) on his way back from the synagogue.

He was proving a point that pro-Palestinians are giving preference over Jews when it comes to freedom of movement in the U.K.

A very dangerous and frightening precedent…

Lily Ebert 100 years of age, was in Auschwitz , whose mother,
brother and sister didn’t survive.

‘The Holocaust has begun again ‘

AGAA4

I think these marches are starting to cause too much trouble. I do agree with Callistemon that it's time they stopped. They seem to be infiltrated by people with hate in their hearts and I don't think it will end well if they carry on. They aren't achieving anything and causing greater divides than ever.

I doubt the Israeli Government is taking any notice.

Blame the Jew.

So he wanted to prove a point? So what? He proved it.

Talk of Palestinian babies being murdered etc is deflection and whataboutery.

These marches are achieving absolutely nothing but are costing millions and causing massive disruption every week. There is no good reason for these marches anymore; they’ve made their point and Netanyahu isn’t taking a blind bit of notice.

If the police haven’t got the manpower to deal with the troublemakers the marches should be banned.

The Jewish community are being baited and it’s unacceptable and there are posters on here who are fine with that.

Any other march causing so much trouble would be stopped. It can be done but the mayor of London is ok with it. Strange that.

I think these marches are starting to cause too much trouble. I do agree with Callistemon that it's time they stopped. They seem to be infiltrated by people with hate in their hearts and I don't think it will end well if they carry on. They aren't achieving anything and causing greater divides than ever.

The fact that he is being accused of being provocative is very worrying indeed.

teachkate

This young man was being deliberately provocative and argumentative.
I thought the police officer dealt with the difficult situation in a very quiet, tolerant, patient and professional manner - plus the young man wasn’t just wearing a kippah he was also carrying something wrapped in some red velvet material which had Hebrew writing on the front ??? The Torah perhaps? Anyway something which I’m sure he doesn’t carry around everyday!

So let me see if Ive got this right…if you go to your place of worship, don’t wear anything that identifies you as a congregant, don’t carry a bible/koran/torah, go home, go straight back home, do not pass GO…

This is getting seriously bad now and I despair that some people are being deliberately dense on this thread - clever, able people refusing to admit that the defining factor in this mess is that an easily identified Jew was accused of asking for it!

True Callistemon

teachkate
Saturday is the sabbath for Jews, a Jew takes a prayer shawl to
pray in a Synagogue