To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

Reference to DM article above
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13326969/Campaign-Against-Antisemitism-Gideon-Falter-threatened-arrest-Jewish-pro-Palestine-march-London.html

‘At the moment you are quite openly Jewish’ this is acceptable?

Witzend

I’m afraid it’s officially seen as fine and advisable to pander to certain minorities, especially the more vocal, demanding ones, while those who largely mind their own business, can go hang.

This, absolutely.

Anniebach

Ramadan celebrated in London with lights , at Easter

What is wrong with that?

It's consistent confirmation that freedom of movement and freedom of speech are being eroded, in this country and most of the west. Very very worrying

Sorry my post was to quote oreo and witzend

Anniebach

‘At the moment you are quite openly Jewish’ this is acceptable?

In this context, yes. That was what could have provoked violence on the part of some marchers. The policeman was there to prevent trouble.

Germanshepherdsmum

Anniebach

‘At the moment you are quite openly Jewish’ this is acceptable?

In this context, yes. That was what could have provoked violence on the part of some marchers. The policeman was there to prevent trouble.

In which case they are absolutely confirming that these marches have a large anti-semitic focus. Being obviously Jewish does not indicate being pro Israel and anti Palestine.

Well I think it "shocking" that at the height of the lockdown British citizens were forbidden to go out unless they could show they were exercising, shopping, or journeying to care for a vulnerable person. Yet a crowd of so called asylum seekers were allowed to stage a protest about food and wifi. They were actually guarded by police in case anyone uset them. Had the police not been there I think they would have got rough justice from the onlookers.

"openly Jewish"...

... is that the same as "openly black" or "openly a woman" or "openly gay" or "openly French"?

Or are you now supposed to hide your affiliation to any religion? Maybe like Jews had to hide away under the Third Reich - or during the Spanish expulsion. Or any other regime that sought to eradicate them.

This is as bad as labelling Jews with a yellow Star of David. Anti Semitism dressed up as protection. Disgraceful.

Anniebach

‘At the moment you are quite openly Jewish’ this is acceptable?

No.

And police should arrest hate crime speech or actions from the minority of demonstrators.

I have just seen this on the news, and that Police officer concerned definitely does not have a clear understanding of his duty. He is clearly identifiable so will be removed from duty forthwith until he has been re-trained. and the accompanying officers also .

Possibly?

The police have got an impossible job - hundreds of vociferous protesters versus one man who may be seen as provocative by the protesters. Of course the protesters are in the wrong here - but if there are only one or two officers in that moment it would make more sense to remove the man from the situation, since removing the protesters would be impossible without riot squads. Of course everyone should be free to walk the streets, but many women choose not to walk alone after dark, for example, when it should be violent men who should be prevented from being out at night.

ferry23

It’s becoming rather scary how this is so casually accepted. It would never be accepted the other way round.

This is the third example of antisemitism displayed by the police.

1) an Iranian man carrying a placard saying Hamas is terrorist arrested by police

2) a Jewish woman, press I think, who remonstrated with police that a placard sporting a swastika should be removed from the march, and was told that swastikas have to be taken in context

3) the incident on Saturday where one Jewish man was thought to be provoking trouble because he was openly Jewish which meant he was wearing a kippah on Saturday, the Jewish sabbath day

This is an extremely worrying development in my view. One group, who are actually the potential troublemakers, being supported, whilst a tiny minority of society is seen as being the troublemakers. This is not impartial policing. Sir Mark Rowley needs to examine his conscience and also to take a course in impartial policing.

The man concerned (see Daily Mail article above) was there with a point to make:

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gideon+Falter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Its a relevant one, but is it the best way to call out anti-semitism?

There should be no antisemitism in the police.

This was a man with an agenda I think. And who just happened to film it?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/police-threaten-jewish-man-arrest-palestine-protest-london/

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I’m afraid to say that you’re expecting too much from the Met.
I doubt if the majority of the bobbies on the beat could pass an iq test.
I know that there are exceptions but they really are thick.

It is complicated.

The demonstrations started primarily to draw attention to to plight of many Palestinians who live in Gaza without adequate or any food, water, housing. As quoted above, there are Jewish groups who take part in the demonstrations because they oppose the current regime in Israel. Their voices have a right to be heard also.

But I oppose deliberate and provocative anti semitic extremism which has also been seen. However, the subtleties not to mention the needs of the starving have been lost if you present all the demonstrators as Hamas supporters.

Sigh. I have no "right" answers.

Germanshepherdsmum

This was a man with an agenda I think. And who just happened to film it?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/police-threaten-jewish-man-arrest-palestine-protest-london/

He may have had an agenda GSM but maybe the point he was making needs to be made. As I said previously, this is not the first time people in support of the Jews have been discriminated against by the police, and it is worrying.

I think the pro Palestine marchers have an agenda too.

It is not complicated, a man was prevented from crossing a
road in London because he is a Jew,

Lily Ebert is so right, ‘it’s happening now’

Anti-muslim hate crimes have also seen a rise.

"Tell Mama, which monitors and campaigns against anti-Muslim sentiment and abuse in the UK, told PA Media that “levels of anti-Muslim hatred and discrimination are deeply worrying, impacting trust in authorities and their sense of identity and belonging”.

Iman Atta, the organisation’s director, said there had been a significant spike in anti-Muslim hate since the atrocities on 7 October. He added: “The nature of many offline cases sent to our service is often overtly racist – targeting Arab and Palestinian communities with dehumanising slurs, anti-Muslim slurs or in some cases targeting their homes, or when speaking Arabic in public, as well as targeting Muslim communities across all ages and gender.

*“We should never allow such hatred and intolerance to take root in our communities and at this time, please look out for each other, whether Muslim or Jewish. We must stand together against intolerance, hate and racism.”"*

www.theguardian.com/news/2023/dec/29/many-police-forces-in-uk-recorded-rise-in-antisemitic-offences-after-start-of-israel-gaza-war

Interfaith groups are quietly trying to work away to bring people together.