To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

Wyllow you are trying to excuse antisemitism, there is no
excuse,

Jews in this country now are not responsible for 1947 or
1967

What was responsible for antisemitism in the 30’s. ?

campaign?
Yes

Protest marches, intimidating people each weekend in our cities?
No

sorry - important correction to my predictive text above

not "Then in 1967 the then Israeli movement started occupying and expanding into the West Bank and Gaza."

but

"Then in 1967 the then Israeli government started occupying and expanding into the West Bank and Gaza".

X post tickingbird
But I see we both used the same word: clumsy

That's why I said pages back that he's perhaps gone for re-training.

The "special interest?"

This conflict has been out there since 1967 (many demonstrations then) and its clear from demonstrations round the world its of particular international interest, ever since the British Palestine Protectorate allocated Israel the original chunk of Palestine in 1947-8.

Then in 1967 the then Israeli movement started occupying and expanding into the West Bank and Gaza.

Its a key factor in the origins and continuing major conflict in the Middle East and possible major war as well as major humanitarian concerns.

It's up to groups with interests in other conflicts to campaign? I cant comment on "why not" as I have no idea.

eazybee

It will be interesting to see if any attempt is made to curtail these marches in any way.

Why would you have to ban another protest 'to make it fair'?

Each protest is judged on its own behaviour.

It's too late to find out if any protest should have been banned after violence and injuries have occurred.

The policeman tried to stop a possible injury (or worse) at this protest march, albeit in a very clumsy way, and they themselves are risking their lives each week - for what?

The police resources are over-stretched as it is.

Whenever there’s a terrorist attack we hear the cries of “not all Muslims are terrorists” etc but for some reason every Jew is an Israeli intent on murdering Palestinians.

There are approximately 250,000 Jews in this country and 4 million Muslims. Jews are very much a minority and we deserve protection. I’ve said this before but I don’t think it sinks in. Every Synagogue has a police presence at services and has done for many years - nothing to do with all this.

What the officer said doesn’t concern me- a touch clumsy but he was under pressure. I have no wish to see him lose his job. The point is that many of these people marching harbour hatred towards all Jews and would do them harm. GF highlighted that with his actions and highlighted the fact that the police are aware and aren’t willing to address it. They’d go in heavy handed if it was Tommy Robinson and his thug army.

See the bigger picture. London and probably other parts of the UK are no longer safe for “openly Jewish’ people.

No matter what you say it’s disgraceful and truly shameful.

Election for London mayor in May !

It will be interesting to see if any attempt is made to curtail these marches in any way.

Why would you have to ban another protest 'to make it fair'?

Each protest is judged on its own behaviour.

Wyllow3

I'd say, sadly, that its the horrors of the current conflict in the Middle East containing the hatred and division. If you ban a pro-palestinian march then who else would you have to ban to make it "fair". And then you begin to eat away democratic rights.

I think there might be a case for limiting the marches to once a month or something similar.

There are a lot of wars, civil wars, conflicts, going on in the world but I don't see many protests going on in the streets of London about them.

I agree. They achieve nothing and require a big police presence, which presumably involves overtime and cancelled holidays. The police have more important things to do.

I'd say, sadly, that its the horrors of the current conflict in the Middle East containing the hatred and division. If you ban a pro-palestinian march then who else would you have to ban to make it "fair". And then you begin to eat away democratic rights.

I think there might be a case for limiting the marches to once a month or something similar.

It's an enormous burden on the police forces.

I also think these weekly marches should be stopped. I think France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and Hungary have either stopped them altogether or placed strong restrictions on the way they are allowed to operate. They are taking place weekly, are extremely disruptive for anyone wishing to move about London freely, and must be very frightening to ordinary Jewish citizens, who most probably stay in their houses every Saturday. People on the marches are openly antisemitic, shouting out vile slurs and carrying banners and placards which are openly antisemitic. I would not venture into London on Saturdays at this time and I’m not Jewish. It’s definitely time to at least place restrictions on these marches or to stop them altogether.

Yes, there are antisemitists on the march and they have no place and should be prosecuted, and neither should open supporters of terrorism be supported

I think that would be a nigh on impossible task for the police.
Better that these marches are stopped.

They are serving no purpose except to cause more hatred and division.

Nelson Mandela had an agenda !

Germanshepherdsmum

If he had been allowed to walk through the march and had suffered ann entirely foreseeable physical attack, fancythat, I have no doubt that he would have blamed the police for not protecting him.

I dont see how he could, if he had already been strongly advised by the police not to walk through.

He would have blamed the protesters.

So maybe somewhat of a win win in his mind, if he had some sort of agenda[he is a journalist after all].

Tickingbird you say on the last page

"The fact that the officer was concerned for his safety proves that these are anti semitic marches. Being ‘openly Jewish’ near that march put him in danger because a large number of those marchers are Jew haters. Many on here are ok with that."

These are not anti semitic marches. You are conflating people with a whole range of views.

They are marches against the actions of the current Israeli regime on behalf of people who are homeless and nearly starving and no semblance of a normal life. And what's still going on:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68874070

Yes, there are antisemitists on the march and they have no place and should be prosecuted, and neither should open supporters of terrorism be supported.

For me, I believe Lili Ebert, she was 20 when she and her family were placed in Auschwitz ,she experienced the years
leading to the Holocaust. She experienced ‘denial of antisemitism’

He had appeared in the Houses of Parliament and is on record as wanting to stop the marches.

Well, I'm with him on that.

And other marches which take up police time, some protestors injuring police officers and in one instance trying to kill police officers (at least that perpetrator got a prison sentence).

Protest marches have got out of hand recently, taken over our cities and other countries are beginning to see sense and ban them.

If he had been allowed to walk through the march and had suffered ann entirely foreseeable physical attack, fancythat, I have no doubt that he would have blamed the police for not protecting him.

I do not believe he has damaged his cause, he has alerted many observers to the composition of these demonstrations,.
If the police were aware that 'some people in the demonstration could have been anti-semitic and caused harm,' why was it not suggested that they removed themselves for the general good of the crowd?

Which comes to the real question:

How on earth are protest marches allowed to take place on the streets of Britain when some of the protestors are so filled with overt hatred against one section of our community, people who have a history of being persecuted?

Have we learned nothing from history?

Our parents would be horrified and ashamed.

If Gideon Falter had been a black man there would be multiple protests across the U.K. …

Too many crimes on the statute books that don't result in actually criminality

I am uncomfortable with this too.

He has proved the point that the police/authorities deem it not to be safe for Jews to walk around freely at times.