Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza

Perhaps the UN should get it's finger out, and help distribute the lying in containers.
Yechiel Leiter, Israel's ambassador to the United States, joins "Elizabeth Vargas Reports" to discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and suggests the United Nations is responsible for aid not being distributed due to the NGO's desire to collaborate with Hamas, which Israel is unwilling to consider.

Anniebach

End Israel,? it cannot go anywhere else, it is home

They will disperse to whoever will give them assylum, the choice is simple, defeat terrorism or accept terrorism rules the Middle East

End Israel,? it cannot go anywhere else, it is home

David49 I agree with your post. The middle east has been a hotbed of unrest for a very long time. It has been made worse by Britain taking over in 1920 and then allowing Jews to settle surrounded by hostile countries. Israel being made a state in 1948 made hostilities even worse.
Iran will be making nuclear weapons.
The ineffective bombing by the US will make them more determined.

Difficult to evacuate a whole nation but I wish Israel could be moved for their own sake as well as others.
I also believe that even if there is a deal for peace it won't last.

I see the Middle East as a powder keg, it’s only the billions of dollars spent by the US supporting Egypt, Jordan and Israel preventing it all exploding. None could resist fundamentalism without it, the half baked bombing of Iran isn’t going to stop them getting nuclear weapons one way or another, then a decision will have to be made by the US, whether to continue or evacuate the Jews

I may be a majority of one but do not believe a compromise will last long.

David49 I agree

Whitewavemark2

David49

Recognition gives Hamas massive support, recognition at last for the de facto government run by Hamas.

Did you listen to Lammy’s speech? Doesnt sound like it.

Lammy is a polititian trying to justify both sides

“ no one knows how many Palestinians are Hamas”

We had the same situation in Germany we didn’t know how many were hardcore Nazis, they were absorbed into the population peacefully. The difference is that they were not willing to die for the cause, they accepted defeat, Hamas is not like that they want to die for the cause, and they don’t care how many others die achieving its aims.

We know how difficult it is to fight an enemy who doesn’t fear death, Iraq and Afghanistan proved that.

David no one as far as I know, certainly not me, has said it would solve the Palestinian "issue" Equally, no one apart from you seems to think that it will be "one step from recognizing Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and all the others as freedom fighters." This is what I think is "tosh".
Many of us have said constantly that it is not possible use military force alone, over 60K dead in Gaza (number is open to dispute but by any reckoning it is a very high number) and still Netanyahu wants to continue the killing of Palestinians without any evidence whatsoever that he is only killing terrorists!
At what point will he stop the carnage? Only when he is made to stop or when there are no more Palestinians left to kill? Personally, I think we should all be looking to find ways to ensure it is the first and not the second. Recognising the State of Palestine is just another way of letting Netanyahu that his plans to annex Palestine will be challenged.

Quote Grantanow Thu 31-Jul-25 10:05:32
Negotiating with terrorists is sometimes necessary but not always desirable.

True but with a terrorist controlled government!

Though a change of government ( on both sides) might help.

The release of hostages is intrinsic to any negotiation, and they could have been released months ago had Israel not broken the agreement made.
Palestinians also need the guarantee that once the hostages are released that Israel will not continue with the bombing and killing of civilians, will allow food through, return stolen land and accept a two state solution.
Personally I can’t see a two state solution as Israel has always been against it.

Negotiating with terrorists is sometimes necessary but not always desirable.

David49

Recognition gives Hamas massive support, recognition at last for the de facto government run by Hamas.

Did you listen to Lammy’s speech? Doesnt sound like it.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:27:23
I think most countries are doing what they can for the people of Gaza. Not all are Hamas. Two million people in Gaza and it's believed 20000 are Hamas.
Pressure needs to be put on Israel to stop them doing any more harm and recognising Palestine as a state may be a last resort

Where are the demands “release hostages now” , no one knows
how many Palestinians are part of Hamas

I think most countries are doing what they can for the people of Gaza. Not all are Hamas. Two million people in Gaza and it's believed 20000 are Hamas.
Pressure needs to be put on Israel to stop them doing any more harm and recognising Palestine as a state may be a last resort.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:57:21
British lawyers have said recognising Palestine as a state would break international law. One of the criteria to become a state is an effective government which they haven't got.

I heard and read the same, I question how governments can agree to attended summits etc with terrorists, can Hamas government ever join with other countries condemning brutality

British lawyers have said recognising Palestine as a state would break international law. One of the criteria to become a state is an effective government which they haven't got.

foxie48

David What a lot of tosh! Are you deliberately trying to stir the pot with your last two posts ? Tbh I can't see any other reason for such a distortion of what has been announced by France, the UK and today, Canada. The evidence seems to suggest that this Israeli government want the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank.

Those who believe that a Palestinian state is going to solve the issue are in fairyland.

Let’s imagine Israel partitioned it might stop the fighting for a while, is that going to stop the extremists attacking what is left of Israel, within a few years we will have fighting on an even larger scale with Iran and the other fundamentalists sponsoring the fighting.

I don’t support Israel it’s an odious regime and I don’t really care if it’s abolished tomorrow, if extremism is allowed to win the whole region will slide into an Iran style fundamentalist states. We have seen that Hamas is willing to sacrifice unlimited civilian lives to stay in power, a Palestinian state will be a big victory for Iran.

Do you really believe it will end there?.

David What a lot of tosh! Are you deliberately trying to stir the pot with your last two posts ? Tbh I can't see any other reason for such a distortion of what has been announced by France, the UK and today, Canada. The evidence seems to suggest that this Israeli government want the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank.

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

We are just one step from recognizing Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and all the others as freedom fighters. Maybe a Palestinian state becomes reality, are Palestinians going to accept that, no chance, they want Jews out of Israel.

Recognition gives Hamas massive support, recognition at last for the de facto government run by Hamas.

nanna8

Your lovely Prime Minister will recognise them and pretend it is Palestine as a whole he recognises. Awful man.

Very unfair post. You can't possibly think that Starmer recognises Hamas.
I didn't vote for him but this is not acceptable.

Your lovely Prime Minister will recognise them and pretend it is Palestine as a whole he recognises. Awful man.

I don’t think they can be rooted out , I have always thought there was a large number of Hamas , the crowds when the dead female hostage was driven through Gaza last year, the
crowds mocking the released hostages earlier this year.
Israel has to live with this, God help them

The Jerusalem Post has said there could be 20000 Hamas still in Gaza. That's a lot. How can they be rooted out? It all feels quite hopeless at times.