Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza

We don’t know how many hamas there are left as when the going got tough they likely melted back into the population posing as concerned family men.There will always be a core of total extremists but hopefully they’ll be rooted out.

Quote AGAA4 Wed 30-Jul-25 11:45:12
Of course Hamas will never be forgiven and IDF soldiers act on orders from above.
I said above no decent people want Hamas in government.
The situation is very complex with no easy answers Allira.
How do we rid Gaza of Hamas without killing every man woman and child? They will not give in easily. There are still thousands of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

👏👏👏 I so agree.

Of course Hamas will never be forgiven and IDF soldiers act on orders from above.
I said above no decent people want Hamas in government.
The situation is very complex with no easy answers Allira.
How do we rid Gaza of Hamas without killing every man woman and child? They will not give in easily. There are still thousands of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

Quote Allira Wed 30-Jul-25 11:03:29
Will Hamas be forgiven for their murderous spree and Israeli soldiers face prosecution?

Seems Hamas is forgiven, now just hand over the hostages end of , if there is another attack on Israel the blame will be showered on Netanyahu and the cabinet

Will Hamas be forgiven for their murderous spree and Israeli soldiers face prosecution?

Oreo

But hamas will have to accept defeat and know they have no place in any future governance in Gaza.Also disarm of course and give back hostages.

It's not as simple as that. What happens then? Will those Israelis who have stolen land give it back? Who will govern Gaza.? If it's Israel then they will probably just take over more land that was designated for the Palestinians and push them into one small area (the camp idea?)

Galaxy

Oh thanks for that. I have never heard of the IRA before you mentioned it.

🙂

And, of course, alleged murderers became politicians, convicted murderers were let out of jail, but British soldiers still face the threat of prosecution years later.

Oh thanks for that. I have never heard of the IRA before you mentioned it.

But hamas will have to accept defeat and know they have no place in any future governance in Gaza.Also disarm of course and give back hostages.

You believe Hamas will become a respectable elected party,
yes they are elected but respectable !

Short memories here..

50 years ago Irish politics was a hotbed of terrorism and fanatics. Sinn Fein was the political wing of the IRA; the IRA was killing civilians in mainland UK; Americans were funding arms for the IRA "freedom fighters". Gerry Adams career moved from (reputed) leader of IRA/ interned prisoner of the British / to elected leader of Sinn Fein and major player in negotiating the Good Friday Agreement leading to peace.

Sinn Fein is now a respectable elected party in the Northern Ireland Assembly (devolved government). Take that, Ian Paisley.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement

Negotiation with Hamas is the only way forward.

Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza
Maremia
I quoted the Times of Israel

Yes you did, I have never found Wikipedia to be politically left
or right

I quoted the Times of Israel

If it was such a 'token gesture' then Netanyahu and his cronies would be like,
'Whatever'.
But they are not, They are furious. Must be having some effect.

Quote Maremia Wed 30-Jul-25 08:55:10
AnnieB, the Times of Israel fact-checked Netanyahu's denial about sending funds to Hamas, and states that he did.
Believe the Times of Israel? Or believe Netanyahu who lies about the genocide in Gaza?

I qouted Wikipedia

AnnieB, the Times of Israel fact-checked Netanyahu's denial about sending funds to Hamas, and states that he did.
Believe the Times of Israel? Or believe Netanyahu who lies about the genocide in Gaza?

I get the impression that the general public from across all parties are pretty disgusted at what is happening in Gaza. You don't have to be a Labour party supporter to be moved by pictures of starving children so it's certainly not just a Labour party issue so he is reacting to.

Smileless2012

It's a token gesture giving the appearance of doing something when in reality it will make very little difference.

That is my gut reaction too.

Also, feels less and less like Starmer is a Leader. Which may have been said before.
This time, appeasing his own Party. Again.
Tomorrow, who knows who else he will try and appease.

Netanyahu has been recorded saying that allowing Hamas to build their strength was part of his strategy to ensure they were capable of challenging Fatah. ie deliberately turning a blind eye to what was going on in Gaza. It was his " divide and rule" strategy. This has been discussed on several previous threads and I've posted links to the video on more than one occasion. He clearly misjudged the situation badly..

Quote Maremia Tue 29-Jul-25 21:47:14
Did Netanyahu ever give funding to Hamas? Isn't that a form of support? Much more support than any alleged comments on a GN thread.

You obviously do not read all posts, best I do same, do search
Hamas on Wike, I did post their info immediately before you asked the above question

They were voted for by the Gazans, big mistake on their part.
The Israeli government thought hamas would be content with running Gaza, big mistake on their part.

Did Netanyahu ever give funding to Hamas? Isn't that a form of support? Much more support than any alleged comments on a GN thread.

Quote AGAA4 Tue 29-Jul-25 20:01:06
Let's not forget who founded and funded Hamas. It was Netanyahu. Without him Hamas would never have become a fighting entity.
They fell out and they have turned on him.
He has created this vile group.

Netanyahu first became PM 1996, you say he formed a Muslim Terrorist group in 1987 , Wiki gives the following

Palestinian Islamic scholar Ahmed Yassin in 1987, after the outbreak of the First Intifada against the Israeli occupation. It emerged from his 1973 Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood.[36] Initially, Hamas was discreetly supported by Israel, as a counter-balance to the secular Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO).[37

Posts defending Hamas are pure fantasy

Surely Hamas. was founded by Ahmed Yassn?

Let's not forget who founded and funded Hamas. It was Netanyahu. Without him Hamas would never have become a fighting entity.
They fell out and they have turned on him.
He has created this vile group.