Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza

Over to the Israelis to let the food in.

Maremia

Wow, and Hamas is mentioned too.
Over to the Israelis now.

Am sure they were waiting with baited breath to hear what Starmer thinks.

Wow, and Hamas is mentioned too.
Over to the Israelis now.

The PM speech live on BBC News,

Hamas must release hostages immediately , not take any part
in the government of Gaza

Yes it is. In September with France. .

Is that the outcome from the Cabinet meeting?

The UK will recognise the State of Palestine in September unless the Israeli government agree to certain conditions.

"B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel said they analyzed Israel’s conduct in Gaza and the rhetoric of Israeli political and military leaders and concluded there has been deliberate intent by Israeli decision-makers to target the whole population of Gaza rather than strictly combatants and to destroy life for the Palestinian people and the enclave’s health and civilian infrastructure as part of a 21-month campaign."

Washington Post July 28th 2025

At last Israeli humanitarian organisations are speaking out!

If only Netanyahu had been genuine in his negotiatons, there could have been more out by now. So many times it was reported that after a deal, Israel broke the ceasefire.
What was that all about?

Quote Caleo Mon 28-Jul-25 16:49:35
The hostages kept by Hamas have to be kept in good condition as they are valuable properties for bargaining with

Not that valuable, it is believed 27 of the remaining hostages are dead

Allira

Galaxy

It will make posters feel better. That is the important thing after all.

All this expertise wasted on Gransnet!

Galaxy, best reply on this thread.

Galaxy

It will make posters feel better. That is the important thing after all.

All this expertise wasted on Gransnet!

Weren't the airdrops to Berlin successful?

Maremia

We are throwing around a few ideas. For me, and possibly others, but hey, I wouldn't presume, the most important question is how to get the aid that is sitting waiting at the border to the children.
(Not all the aid is appropriate as MOnica, I think explained). At this moment in time, I have no idea what 'whatever works' is either.
I think, others may disagree, that waiting for Netanyahu to relent, would be futile.
I think, possible more would agree, that waiting for Hamas to relent would be futile.
Posters are describing how similar extremely difficult past situations have been resolved.
None of us, as far as I can deduce, are political entities, but we do have voting power and consumer power, and we do know how to project our viewpoints by writing.
So, we are not completely helpless, otherwise what prompted those 220 MPs to lobby Starmer about a prospective Palestinian State.
Are we doing any harm by trying out ideas?
Are we 'entertaining' some of the GNs with our posts, fine.
Will we come up with a solution? Who knows.
Meanwhile, something that has not been mentioned on any of these multi-Gaza threads, how the heck are the Hostages being fed?

The hostages kept by Hamas have to be kept in good condition as they are valuable properties for bargaining with.

Jeramy Bowens opinion of airdrops.
He has a lot of personal experience with these missions.
Jeramy is 5.30 mins into the link.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002gcw6

David49

Lathyrus3

I don’t understand what your vision is of “whatever works”.

Can you explain what you think will happen if the British Government recognises Hamas as the legitimate government of Palestine.

I honestly can’t see what you think will happen after that.

So you think giving Hamas the credibility of recognition as a legitimate government is going to help.

I agree whatever works but that won’t.

Er no.

I can’t see how you’ve read that into my post 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I was saying I don’t understand what the OPs vision is of “whatever works”

Oh hang on I’m repeating myself……….

Lathyrus3

I don’t understand what your vision is of “whatever works”.

Can you explain what you think will happen if the British Government recognises Hamas as the legitimate government of Palestine.

I honestly can’t see what you think will happen after that.

So you think giving Hamas the credibility of recognition as a legitimate government is going to help.

I agree whatever works but that won’t.

We are throwing around a few ideas. For me, and possibly others, but hey, I wouldn't presume, the most important question is how to get the aid that is sitting waiting at the border to the children.
(Not all the aid is appropriate as MOnica, I think explained). At this moment in time, I have no idea what 'whatever works' is either.
I think, others may disagree, that waiting for Netanyahu to relent, would be futile.
I think, possible more would agree, that waiting for Hamas to relent would be futile.
Posters are describing how similar extremely difficult past situations have been resolved.
None of us, as far as I can deduce, are political entities, but we do have voting power and consumer power, and we do know how to project our viewpoints by writing.
So, we are not completely helpless, otherwise what prompted those 220 MPs to lobby Starmer about a prospective Palestinian State.
Are we doing any harm by trying out ideas?
Are we 'entertaining' some of the GNs with our posts, fine.
Will we come up with a solution? Who knows.
Meanwhile, something that has not been mentioned on any of these multi-Gaza threads, how the heck are the Hostages being fed?

It will make posters feel better. That is the important thing after all.

I don’t understand what your vision is of “whatever works”.

Can you explain what you think will happen if the British Government recognises Hamas as the legitimate government of Palestine.

I honestly can’t see what you think will happen after that.

Maremia

David49, are you serious? Think most folk wish Hamas to H... and beyond.
Nothing, absolutely nothing has worked so far.
Think, well I do anyway, that the Poster is trying to think 'outside the box' as they say at conferences.
We could be at the stage of 'whatever works' to save some of the children.
If you have a version of a solution that could work, yeah, go for it. Think everyone is listening.

Absolutely Maremia; whatever works!

David49, are you serious? Think most folk wish Hamas to H... and beyond.
Nothing, absolutely nothing has worked so far.
Think, well I do anyway, that the Poster is trying to think 'outside the box' as they say at conferences.
We could be at the stage of 'whatever works' to save some of the children.
If you have a version of a solution that could work, yeah, go for it. Think everyone is listening.

If Hamas was any kind of legitimate government it would not have attacked Israel and taken hostages. Today having been defeated militarily and the population starving any legitimate government would surrender, instead they use the population as human shields and refuse to give hostages back.

It’s a weird world when terrorists are supported in this way.

M0nica

Caleo

Dickens

M0nica

Negotiating with terrorists is one thing, negotiating with terrorists as the representative government of a country is an entirely different thing.

Exactly.

It is the same only on a larger scale. Hi-jackers and others who have the whip hand in an urgent emergency is the same dynamic .

I am sirry, if you cannot see the difference, there is no point in discussing it further

Popular opinion in UK is very very different from Government tactics. Especially among the young , in parts of the UK where there are mixed ethnic groups, and in Scotland . This is not my opinion it's a matter of fact according to the best polls such as YouGov.
Most uk public opinion is that UK should act as neutral mediator, giving an actual face to face hearing to Hamas.
(Chat GPT) just now

Caleo

Dickens

M0nica

Negotiating with terrorists is one thing, negotiating with terrorists as the representative government of a country is an entirely different thing.

Exactly.

It is the same only on a larger scale. Hi-jackers and others who have the whip hand in an urgent emergency is the same dynamic .

I am sirry, if you cannot see the difference, there is no point in discussing it further