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Hamas is the De Facto Government in Gaza

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Maremia Fri 25-Jul-25 14:40:14

Jings, I thought there were negotiations with Putin to attempt a cease fire with Ukraine? Not with us, we are minor league, but through the auspices of Trump's administration.

TerriBull Fri 25-Jul-25 14:39:36

ISIS set themselves up in Raqqa as the De facto government for the areas under their control, such groups, usually immersed in terror set up quasi administrations of sorts but it doesn't make those legally right, so why would any democratic government recognise them.?

Caleo Fri 25-Jul-25 14:31:43

MOnica, I understand your POV. Nobody want to set a precedent for terrorists to be legitimised.

Do you not think that the urgency of the situation in Gaza justifies taking this risk?

Caleo Fri 25-Jul-25 14:27:33

M0nica

The logic flaws in the OP's arguments leave me boggling. What you are saying is if an undemocratic terrorist group takes over any place then you negotiate with them, even though they may be totally unrepresented of the people living in their territory.

On that basis we should be negotiating with Putin over the future of Ukraine and at one point we would have come close to negotiating with either the IRA or UDP over the future of Northern Ireland.

This idea is every terrorist group and dictators dearest wish.

I am afraid that is the actual situation in Gaza. Hamas is all there is so we should use what there is for want of better.

Caleo Fri 25-Jul-25 14:25:41

Caleo

Hamas is the de facto government of Gaza and as such shouls be legally recognised by foreign states, so that Hamas may enter into peace discussions .

Our Prime Minister should recognise Hamas asap and one wonders why he does not do so.

Hamas is the only representative government despite all its faults. Diplomatic discussion is the only way forward I can see that gets the Gaza people the food and water they need if they are to survive.

I mean, how else?

Anniebach Fri 25-Jul-25 14:24:21

I am certainly not wondering why our PM does not do so

M0nica Fri 25-Jul-25 14:19:46

The logic flaws in the OP's arguments leave me boggling. What you are saying is if an undemocratic terrorist group takes over any place then you negotiate with them, even though they may be totally unrepresented of the people living in their territory.

On that basis we should be negotiating with Putin over the future of Ukraine and at one point we would have come close to negotiating with either the IRA or UDP over the future of Northern Ireland.

This idea is every terrorist group and dictators dearest wish.

Dickens Fri 25-Jul-25 14:18:08

Two things:

HAMAS, in its entirety, has been proscribed by the UK as a terrorist group so it's an offence to support it.

... and the last legislative elections were held in 2006 (or maybe 2007?) - so can you say they are representative now?

Caleo Fri 25-Jul-25 13:25:20

Hamas is the de facto government of Gaza and as such shouls be legally recognised by foreign states, so that Hamas may enter into peace discussions .

Our Prime Minister should recognise Hamas asap and one wonders why he does not do so.