Dogs everywhere

I wholeheartedly agree. I detest badly trained dogs that don't come to recall, jump up at you, run out in front of bikes etc. almost every week on the local Facebook/Nextdoor pages some reports finding a loose dog either running in the road or fields and woods. The staff in cafes, shops etc patting dogs and then going back to serve customers is a health hazard. all these problems are caused by bad owners. The worse thing is when you object to being jumped at etc the owner looks at you as if you are insane or evil. Too many walking multiple numbers of dogs they cannot control on country and coastal footpaths and walks. I suspect this is due to the number of people baby sitting /walking dogs as a living who have no training.

Youngnanny

Totally agree with you, in Cheshire Oaks dogs everywhere, I nearly fell over a lead and hurt myself (didn’t see the dog).
I wonder do they have 3rd party insurance in case their dog hurts someone 🤔
I have the insurance for my horse, just a thought

My dog is insured for health and third party if he causes an accident. I hate extendable leads due to tripping people . I keep my dog on a short lead and put him on the lead if we see a horse , cyclists, runners , or an on lead dog . Incidentally everyone thanks me except the cyclists

Llghten up..its a dog, not a aligator...goodness!!!

Dogs are what their owners make them. That's it in a nutshell. 100% agree!

Oh dear - let's be honest gransnetters, dogs are not allowed everywhere despite your observations - this is a gross exaggeration on the part of those who are just too finicky. There are lots of restaurants, shops, hotels etc that do not allow dogs. It's their choice, and yours too. Having spent much time in a hospice environment where dogs were brought in specifically as therapy animals, I can vouch for the fact that all dogs lick their nether regions whether they're considered fit to be of service to dying humans or not, and given the hygiene protocol in hospices (particularly during covid) it would seem that if dogs were unhygienic they would never have been allowed in. Likewise, guide dogs behave the same way but I'm quite certain that if any gransnetters were sufficiently unfortunate to need an assistance dog in the future, they would soon change their tune and expect their animal to be able to accompany them anywhere. And why not?

As for asthma, it has been demonstrated in the Middle East, where some countries have become very 'hygienic' as a result of increased wealth, that infantile asthma is associated with the lack of exposure to dogs and cats, and to carpets that house a multitude of bugs, all of which build immunity.

I do agree that training of dogs is important so that they respond to the owner's command. It would be nice if humans could also be considered in this way. Personally, I'd far rather sit in a cafe with several well-behaved dogs sitting with their owners and alleviating their possible loneliness than in a cafe with a dozen bean bags and noisy kids who don't pipe down when their parents tell them to, or indeed a cafe with loud people who have no regard for the fact that others might not want to know from where they bought their latest item of clothing, or where they're planning to go on holiday. So I choose where I go.

Am I a dog lover, oh yes, living on a farm I'm in close contact with four dogs, all trained and one trained as an assistance dog. Dogs are what their owners make them. None of the family suffers from any allergies interestingly - perhaps that's proximity to huge biodiversity. Seriously, our environments are becoming far too clinical for our own survival. So gransnetters, the next time time you're in a place where there's a dog, try asking the owner if you can stroke it.

I’m not a dog lover. I don’t mind them if they’re on leads, but when they’re running loose they’re unpredictable. They’ve all got teeth and claws!!
It’s more the owners who bore me with their interminable tales about their little darling’s latest tricks/behaviour/intelligence.
I just switch off.
Looking around supermarket aisles nowadays it’s easy to see that there’s big money to be made from dogs (and cats, etc.) They’re more pampered than new babies!
If I ever get a pet it’ll be a cat.

It is very hard to find a pub around here that doesn't accept dogs. Even when dogs are kept in a certain room, that room always seems to be on the way to the room I am in and I don't want my food to go past dogs that may be shaking,with fur flying everywhere - even in my dinner, or worse as they aren't all toilet trained for the indoors!!
How is it that restaurants & pubs get such high awards for hygiene standards when dogs are allowed on the premises?! Beggars belief....

Dog central around here. I love it. It's the owners not the dogs. They should be trained to be well behaved in pubic. For the most part dogs do not need to be in a lead here. If someone is allergic then sorry it's not the dog or dog owners problem.

Firstly: I agree with your objections to dogs being allowed in everywhere.

But, as I have said before, grumbling about it here will do no good other than to show you that a lot of us, dog owners, and or friends, or not agree with you.

You need to get your local MPs involved, and presumably the health inspectors as well.

Collect signatures and canvass for new laws on the subje

I do not live in the UK and am frankly shocked to hear that dogs are allowed into anywhere that sells food. This is not the case in other countries.

Only guide dogs for the blind, or dogs trained to help other people with disabilities are allowed into restarants, cafeterias, shops selling food, pharmacies or hospitals.

If you need to take a household pet, including cage birds, in a taxi, you mention this when ordering the taxi, as a driver could well be allergic and any driver, allergic or not, has the right to refuse to transport animals.

Some Danish pubs do still allow dogs in, but usually only before 6 p.m. when children also are refused admition.

I do not think it is actually illegal here to take a pet into a shop that only sells clothes, but the staff would have the right to ask you politely to come back without the dog.

To be honest, as the owner of a well behaved small dog, I wish I lived in an area like yours. Where I live, very few places allow dogs including our local shopping centre.

A dog lover and been an owner over 40 years. ASs are dog owners now and their dogs are well trained. Never mibdca verbal command I think a look keeps them in check. I never
took a dog into any kind of establishment selling food. Nowadays anything goes, animals in hotels, restaurants, shops and children running about screaming in supermarkets ( a couple playing
football before Christmas) babies crying nonstop on planes. I would accept a well trained dog on the floor in a pub but not anywhere in a hotel. Since Covid there seems to be a dog population explosion with owners just not prepared to put the work in to train them. Now some dogs are left outside during the day whilst owners go off to work. The dogs are stressed and just bark and howl for hours. Should be like driving there should be a test before being allowed to own a dog.

I have been taken aback by churches allowing dogs to attend services. They seem generally well behaved, but when the owner takes them with them when going up for communion, are they expecting the priest to bless them too?

I sometimes think people have gone completely mad. This dogs/children thingy is a completely false dichotomy.
Many families that include children include a family dog that would defend those children ferociously if they were threatened and who is deeply beloved of the children.
My childhood dog was beloved in our family of three children and was instrumental in teaching us how to care for another living creature and that managing a living creature demands discipline and personal responsibility.
I live in France now and wonder if the UK is becoming overcrowded and this is bringing people who fear and/or dislike dogs into too close contact with them.

Goodness,well you are a bundle of laughs.I appreciate you are not a dog lover, but dogs are part of many peoples lives.And give company and love to many people.If shops allow dogs in..so be it.I am a dog lover..I think you are over dramatising it.I have dogs.and leave them outside..tied up with a watchful eye.They are friendly and eye up people with a hopeful eye.Dogs are like children..you love them or hate them..And i have never dressed them up!!!.lol.

My husband is allergic to dogs: their fur, dander and saliva. Restaurants, coffee bars, holiday cottages and hotel rooms all have to be dog free and the choice is becoming increasingly limited. We’ve even been told that a place is dog free or limits dogs to a specific area only to find it’s not the case. We both love dogs but can’t be near them - he can even tell if I’ve been with a friend who has dogs as it’s not long before his skin starts to itch and - if not addressed quickly - an asthma attack follows.

Yes, imo you are being unreasonable! Sorry to say it!
And yes I am exactly one of the "Dog owners may say they prefer their dogs to people/ children/ babies. But they seem to be the childless ones."
You see children in supermarket trollies touching everything - and you know EXACTLY where those fingers have been!
(Not for nothing do teachers avoid eating cakes made by children! )

Of course there are bad dog owners, as there are neglectful people in all walks of life. But tackle the individuals not make rules that are overkill. That so often happens nowadays.

Personally I dislike the numbers of cats who 'ablute' in my garden. But nothing I can do about it.
Studies show that people who grow up close to animals are better adjusted, healthier - better immunity - and less likely to have psychological problems.

If you go into a hotel room that smells of dog - tell them when you book / and ask to be moved. Most hotels in my experience have some, not all, dog friendly rooms.

If waiters don't wash their hands - tell them!

Letting a dog jump up at your table is wrong and should not happen.

But there are many, many lonely people whose dog is their best and truest friend.

I think we need more kindness; be more chilled, not less dogs!

I agree 100 %. And surely this must contravene Health and Safety Regulations. I can't possibly see how it wouldn't. I used to have a lovely dog myself but would not have dreamed of taking her into a shop or eatery of any sort. I was recently in The Range and someone had brought in a dog which left a trail of faeces behind it and close to shelves where food items were being sold. Enough! Someone please start a Parliament Petition (sorry no good at this myself) and I'll be one of the first to sign and share.

I prefer dogs to people, so I’m in a minority maybe. Kids are noisy as are adults. My dog sits quietly with us.

I agree I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant or cafe if dogs were there ugh

I agree that there are too many dogs allowed in venues where people are eating. I do not want a dog sniffing round me hoping for food or even just saying hello. I don't want to smell dogs or end up with dog hair on my trousers. I think dog lovers have no idea that not everybody feels the same way about their beloved pets. I have an acquaintance who insists on bringing her dog everywhere and then gets irate if venue dares to tell her dogs are not allowed.

I don't mind dogs but I do not like the people that think everyone should like them - like their ill behaved children. Both need to be kept in check.
that being said, too many people have bought a dog with the ideal picture in mind but forget the need to be fed, watered, walked and taken to the vets.
Like people who want a baby but not a child - not dolls to be played with when in the mood.

Stop moaning.

I've become allergic to my dogs in the last 6 years. Before that I had no problems. Always had a dog since childhood.
I don't take them shopping or to restaurants or cafes. OH does take them to the pub as do lots of other people. They are well trained and lie quietly under the table. They are treated as dogs, ie no clothing, pyjamas, bandanas, Xmas or birthday presents or party. They sleep the kitchen on a dog bed. No dog icecreams or other food rubbish.
They aren't furbabies and are our dogs which we love very much. I cope with the allergy with antihistamines

I had 2 dogs..they apparently didnt hate each other..as we thought.They are small..and well behaved.We now have 4!!!.If we take them out.we eat outside..because it isnt fair.They are always friendly..and love everyone..however..it isnt fair to inflict them on people who dont like them..

Granatlast007

Something really needs to be done about dogs now, and the ridiculous people who get them and don't have a clue. Terrible story -

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y54xgzpzzo

That was quite shocking. I saw it a few days ago. Sadly I don't think they found the dog or owner.