Dogs everywhere

Apologies I’ve read the first and last two pages, not the entire thread.
I’m a dog person, always lived with dogs except two years in my late teens, early twenties. This thread is the most recent in many thst set out to complain about dogs. I currently share my life with a Labrador and a cocker spaniel. My spaniel rock steady, the lab a work in progress after a series of incidents when he, on lead, was irritated and upset by off lead dogs with neither manners or recall . Helping him relax when dogs he doesn’t know get in his face has been a challenge, as we have so many badly behaved dogs with owners who think they’re right (when they aren’t)
I absolutely take the point about allergies. I hope you’re getting well grannygravy. I no longer take my well behaved, gentle spaniel into our local cafe bar. Too many dogs, too often allowed, even encouraged to meet n greet other dogs and people. When mine come to the pub after a walk, they lie u def the table.
Oreo we don’t have mongrels because dogs don’t wander these days. Traffic far too dangerous

So, I’m ms grumpy, dogs on lead, I’d love to see every owner expected to commit to twelve months training classes.

Sadgrandma

I would also like to add how horrible I find it when people allow their dogs to lick them on their mouths. Dogs lick their own bums and private parts!!!

Absolutely agree!

I don't know where all these dog friendly shops, cafes and restaurants are.
I never see them.
From the tenor of this thread you'd think we were overrun with dogs . Well not around me we're not.
Like Iam, I regard myself as a responsible dog owner.
On-lead walks, no cafe or pub visits (apart from pub garden) never been on public transport and Rosie has never seen a beach.
I take the point about allergies although I know more people with a nut/ dairy/ peanut allergy or indeed cat allergies.
I am actually quite sick of the dog bashing on GN- this is far from bring an isolated thread - not least because they cannot defend themselves and also because it seems to be a dog owner bashing thread and by extension I feel quite battered.
Could we have one on budgies next please?

SWWales, dogs, dogs dogs. Most cafes and pubs allow dogs though some restrict them to specific areas.

I hope I haven’t bashed you Maw I love dogs, but unfortunately my body doesn’t.

It's the usual lazy stereotyping*Rosiesmaw*. Those of us who are responsible dog owners with well trained obedient dogs get lumped with those who let their dogs run riot. I'm really sorry for those with an allergy to dogs it must be very tricky navigating the world so you don't come into contact with a dog. My friend is allergic to bee stings so I genuinely understand the concern. but I don't think she expects her neighbours to stop keeping bees ( which they do). She has an EpiPen and is currently undergoing venom immunotherapy.

I’ve not seen previous dog-bashing threads and I probably wouldn’t have commented on this one if I hadn’t been so recently irritated by the dog on the train seat.

Of course there are many responsible dog owners. And lovely 🐶 dogs 🐕.

I see it as "soft targetting" foxie and if it sounds like a witch hunt, well maybe it is.
Now back to budgies.
I think it's disgusting that some people let them fly round their living room, perch on hands and heads, have they never heard of psitticosis?
And as for goldfish - have you seen Jaws ?
I rest my case

Retread

I’ve not seen previous dog-bashing threads and I probably wouldn’t have commented on this one if I hadn’t been so recently irritated by the dog on the train seat.

Of course there are many responsible dog owners. And lovely 🐶 dogs 🐕.

I get more irritated by feet on crowded train seats, likewise bags, briefcases, backpacks or other possessions unless their owners have paid for an extra seat.

I’m equally as irritated by all of the above as I was by the dog.

RosiesMawagain

I see it as "soft targetting" foxie and if it sounds like a witch hunt, well maybe it is.
Now back to budgies.
I think it's disgusting that some people let them fly round their living room, perch on hands and heads, have they never heard of psitticosis?
And as for goldfish - have you seen Jaws ?
I rest my case

You didn’t mention murderous cats, RosiesMawagain, My daughter has a kitten, too young to go out in this weather. It’s a tiny thing but is already dominating their ten year old Doodledog. Kitty stalks the dog, leaps out hissing at the poor dog, it’s clear that when let loose in the garden, birds will need to find alternative trees

I've clearly led a sheltered life. Although an asthmatic friend of ours died, and from work, I knew about peanut and aerosols, I've honestly never heard of being near a dog leading to an allergic reaction or an asthma attack. And there are well over 10m dogs in UK.

Chardy

I've clearly led a sheltered life. Although an asthmatic friend of ours died, and from work, I knew about peanut and aerosols, I've honestly never heard of being near a dog leading to an allergic reaction or an asthma attack. And there are well over 10m dogs in UK.

I have been resuscitated on two separate occasions due to my dog allergy.

Maybe that’s why you could say I am overly cautious.

(Aged 15 and 20)

Here dogs are only allowed on outdoor patios at restaurants, and then, not all of them. There will usually be a 'dog's welcome' sign. Hotels typically have only a few assigned pet rooms so one needs to call well in advance to see if there is room.

We sometimes travel with our Aussie shepherd, so really only need to keep her with us then. Otherwise we leave her at home if we are out and about.

Iam64

Apologies I’ve read the first and last two pages, not the entire thread.
I’m a dog person, always lived with dogs except two years in my late teens, early twenties. This thread is the most recent in many thst set out to complain about dogs. I currently share my life with a Labrador and a cocker spaniel. My spaniel rock steady, the lab a work in progress after a series of incidents when he, on lead, was irritated and upset by off lead dogs with neither manners or recall . Helping him relax when dogs he doesn’t know get in his face has been a challenge, as we have so many badly behaved dogs with owners who think they’re right (when they aren’t)
I absolutely take the point about allergies. I hope you’re getting well grannygravy. I no longer take my well behaved, gentle spaniel into our local cafe bar. Too many dogs, too often allowed, even encouraged to meet n greet other dogs and people. When mine come to the pub after a walk, they lie u def the table.
Oreo we don’t have mongrels because dogs don’t wander these days. Traffic far too dangerous

So, I’m ms grumpy, dogs on lead, I’d love to see every owner expected to commit to twelve months training classes.

Yes, that was my only thought about mongrels not being around any more, that dogs are so expensive that they never get the chance to wander off and breed when they want to.
It’s good, no unwanted puppies but at the same time I really like the look of mongrel dogs and they’re healthier too.

When I was young most people had "Heinz 57" dogs, normally very well behaved, no neurosis at all. It's good that there aren't the stray, wandering dogs of old, but I do feel this obsession with 'pure breeds' has diminished the pool somewhat. Our loveliest dog when I was a child was a chow/husky cross, great temperament and very well behaved. I've since discovered this is now a 'designer breed' purposely engineered. Jess was most definitely not all those years ago.

AGAA4

I wonder why the dog was under your table in the first place?

Why did the owners not make him lie under their table when they first sat down?

Oh, of course, they didn’t want to have their own feet encumbered by dog!

Rosie51

Apart from the breed of dog, I think that in the past, people just didn’t take their dogs out so much, simple as that.

They were probably taken on walks, and that was it.

Not out to shops, cafes, pubs, restaurants….

But then the people themselves probably didn’t go out so much either.

When my older children were small we got a rescue dog, a collie cross, she was affectionate and good natured, but very hard to control.
We lived in the country, my husband took her for a walk across the fields every morning, and she had the run of the garden.
It would never have occurred to us to take her to a pub or restaurant, or into a shop or a NT property.
She wouldn’t have liked it anyway, dogs are animals, they should be treated as such.

I volunteer for a breed rescue charity. The puppies are expensive, very cute and need training from day one. We get so many relinquished between 7 - 17 months as owners just can’t manage them.
They’re cross breeds, two intelligent, sensitive dogs. You do t always get the best of both breeds, what you’re guaranteed is a dog that needs boundaries, and not to be seen as a fur baby, dressed up etc
See I said I was ms grumpy

I'm on a ferry this morning. As soon as a dog began to bark an announcer reminded us that dogs were not permitted anywhere where food is served, must be kept on leads and preferably in the designated areas.

It's been quiet since.

Early this morning, our dogs throwing themselves around, away from humans, away from restaurants, away from shops and washing any smells off in the frost.
Have a wuffy, happy day!

I do wish people would think more carefully about the suitability of the breed before buying as well as who they are buying from! We've always had border terriers, they are tough active little dogs. Trainable if you put the work in and mine have always had good recall but I've had to work hard with them and even now, I consistently reinforce my training when we are out on a walk as I'm lucky enough to be able to have him off lead except when we are on the road. He doesn't pull on the lead either and will walk to heel off lead when asked. He'll sit quietly if I stop to talk to someone and if we do have a pub lunch when out on a walk, he'll sit quietly at my feet.
Dogs don't come trained to do all of these things and introducing them to the world and all the things they might come across in their lives is an important part of the training. He used to bark at a neighbour if we met her and I realised it was because he wasn't used to seeing anyone wearing very dark sunglasses. She was happy to talk to him, take her sun glasses off and put them back on again so that he understood that there was nothing unusual about her. Now he greets her with a waggy tail and she's become his firm friend.
Sadly during lockdown, too many puppies missed this important part of their learning experience and because families were always home, never learned to cope on their own for a few hours. My neighbour has a lockdown dog, she's got very bad separation anxiety so they always have to take her with them or leave someone at home with her otherwise she barks constantly and makes herself sick. tbh they can't be bothered to put in the work needed to help her gain better skills. It's their first dog!

Dogs don't come trained to do all of these things I think this is the most pertinent thing. Too many people have no idea of the hard work and length of time involved in training a puppy and just have an idealised vision of pet ownership.

Quite! re the training. My father had a golden retriever dog back along and she started off as a typical puppy - ie leaping up to everyone. But she was taught things like 1. You go to the loo in the gutter and not on the pavement (ie that was in the days before plastic bags polluting everywhere) 2. You want to go and swim somewhere - you sit and ask first if you're allowed to do so and then leap in with abandon when it's been indicated you can 3. You sit and watch people to see if they approach you to pet you - and don't just leap on people regardless etc etc.

That dog had started off as my erstwhile brothers/duly paid the £100 back then to get her....but it didn't take him long to realise he was going to have to train her - as dogs don't come ready-trained. Cue for her getting renamed and my father took her over as his dog.