A message from my long dead Grandfather is so upsetting.

The Canadian/American James Randi, a magician and paranormal investigator, set up the one million dollar paranormal challenge. He agreed to give the money to anyone who could prove they had paranormal ability under strictly monitored conditions. Nobody was able to claim the money including Uri Geller.

In the UK Derek Acorah was conclusively shown to be a fraud.

On that basis I am very sceptical about people who claim to have any sort of occult powers.

Sarnia, you are assuming he is not 'at rest'. And that is what is worrying you. But you have no evidence of that at all - assuming this is all as it seems.
Try to think past that assumption? Try to take it for what it might be, a kindly wave from far away and take it as that. x

These individuals plant people in the audience to listen to conversations, they look up social media to check on those who post messages about the event, have booked tickets etc. so much gleaned from social media postings. They also say very general things that could apply to anybody.

dayvidg

Auntie E

'Another very relevant fact is that, if you google your name and address ,you will, unless you have taken very great precautions against this very thing, which most of us have not, find a great deal of information about yourself and your family online.'

Just tried googleing mine for my last 3 addresses (dating back to 1986) and got no results. Should I be worried?

Then I don’t understand how an acquaintance of my niece, a medium who doesn’t charge and never has, was able at a casual meeting, not pre-arranged, to tell her all sorts of things about a great aunt who’d recently died a few hundred miles away.

Including something that had taken place very shortly before she died. Niece had not been present (was a long way away) and had no idea, but checked with my sister, who was there, and it was spot on.

Think what you like people, but that pink feather that landed on my keyboard came from somewhere.

Years ago, at the insistence of a friend whose scepticism had been severely shaken, I visited a medium. My wedding ring was the only give away. She spoke of my children and made some startling comments that were spot on, and then asked a question about my mother's death, and piece of her jewellery, missing at the time. She could not possibly have known anything about it, as it had been a private matter kept between immediate family members, none of whom knew this person. Extremely thought provoking.

It would be easy to tell if a "Message" from my maternal Grandmother were genuine. If she said anything nice, it would be a fabrication. She really was a most unpleasant woman.

Mum, her sister, me and 2 cousins went to see a medium at the local theatre.
The medium supposedly had a message for my Aunt.
But everything they said also applied to 3 other people.
Take it with a pinch of salt.

Yeh they looked her up on social media. Your dead grandfather didn't send any message.
These people need banning, nobody can, talk to dead people and they're All scam artists, all of them!
They prey on vulnerable people and as you're experiencing it causes trauma.

The best thing to do is ignore it because dwelling on someone's lies won't do you any favours.

keepingquiet

notgran

If Psychic Mediums are genuine, why are they having to make a not very successful living doing what they do? Why aren't they doing something good for humanity with these special powers? Performing in pubs, small theatres etc is hardly giving us confidence they are able to do anything other than take money from the susceptible.

Because they are not genuine. They are grifters and people are so gullible.

Possibly humanity is not worthy of being helped or saved especially when you see the kind of behaviour that is all around us now.

I think most of the people who have these different abilities to see, or whatever you might want to call it, are humble about it, often don't want the 'gift' (would you want dreams of a terrible plane crash with great loss of life which comes true?), I think most would also say they can be mistaken, of course, and the future is not necessarily set in stone.

I think there are undoubtedly some who are fraudsters and those are often the ones appearing in pubs etc but I have met enough people who are sincere to be sure for myself that there is some other ability that some humans have.

Academics are very interested too and work is being done by psychologists and neuroscientists which may well lead to something but given that medicine and cosmic-related science is endlessly proved to have been eventually scientifically wrong in many cases, I wouldn't bet on anything like uncontroversial proof appearing!

If your Grandfather was really determined to send you a message then why not directly?

Why use a scammer quack so-called medium/psychic?

These characters are using emotional blackmail that's almost abusive and they have hearts with all the sincerity of a cash register.

And that's the bottom line, money milked from vulnerable people.

These fraudsters make me utterly sick.

My grandma used to attend the spiritualist church, I suspect she had loved ones she missed very much and saw this as an authentic way of connecting with them. I have no scorn for those believe sincerely that their loved ones are in a different place. I believe this myself.

However, I don't need to go to a 'show' to be told my grandad has my departed pet and is looking after them. I don't have any pets. It's wrong.

Auntie E

'Another very relevant fact is that, if you google your name and address ,you will, unless you have taken very great precautions against this very thing, which most of us have not, find a great deal of information about yourself and your family online.'

Just tried googleing mine for my last 3 addresses (dating back to 1986) and got no results. Should I be worried?

I've been to our local Spiritualist Church lots of times, I used to go too with my Mum when much younger, I love going, singing hymns saying prayers, just like a 'regular' church getting a message is a bonus, it's a joyous service.

Christians, whether of the one or other denomination, are, or should be, taught that attempting to contact the dead, or tell fortunes is wrong.

The thinking behind this prohibition is, I believe, due to the doctrine of God being almighty - if he wanted us to receive messages from friends and relatives who are no longer in this world, he would presumablly have devised more reliable methods than the kind of mediums who are making a living conveying these sorts of ten-a-penny messages.

Here too, we should stop to consider that right back to the days of Christ's apostles, Christians have believed that the gifts of the Holy Spirit should be given freely and that the human mediator should not accept payment.

Obviously, we all know that at times this precept has been ignored, but it has never been rescinded.

Another good reason for the various churches holding to the principle that one should not seek to receive messages from the afterlife is the fact that you have yourself experienced, Sarnia, they are often distressing to the recipient.

There may be such things as genuine premonitions, or genuine mediums. but if so, no-one has yet proved that either do exist.

Another very relevant fact is that, if you google your name and address ,you will, unless you have taken very great precautions against this very thing, which most of us have not, find a great deal of information about yourself and your family online.

Mediums and fortune-tellers are very well aware of this fact, and believe me, they do use the Internet to gather information.

Please, try not to let this incident worry you. Remember your grandfather as he was. If any of our dear loved ones are aware in heaven, or wherever else they are , of what goes on with us on earth, he may well be annoyed that someone tried to make money out of making up such a message from him!

The gentle, loving grandfather you remember would not want you to worry about this.

My grandfather on my mother’s side was a healer. My DH's cousins are spiritualists.

I was a sceptic until it came to me, these messages from the dark side.

As far as I know, a medium does not talk to dead people. She or he has a spiritual guide with knowledge of the unseen and it is this spiritual guide that relay all these messages to the medium.

In my case, the messages I received were related to the pandemic ten years before it happened.

Afterwards, I thought why not just sent me one message ‘Pandemic 2020’ instead of so many messages that I was supposed to decode and were doing my head in. There was also a message related to Meghan Markle and explosion of gas and electricity prices.

I eventually decided this was not for me, I do not really want to know all the bad things that are going to happen in the future and somehow managed to shut it all down.

Driving home from work one evening I had a thought pop into my head that my sister was in hospital because she had crashed her car. When I pulled up onto the drive the housr phone was ringing, it was my mum to tell me my sister had been in a car crash and was at hospital🤷‍♀️ thankfully she was mostly unharmed. Two different mediums also told me I would have a little girl, I told them both it wasn't likely and forgot about it. Many years later I found myself 20 weeks pregnant without having had any symptoms, completely unexpected, I did indeed have a little girl, who's grown now, pribably a good guess but I keep an open mind😃

As I said I believe there are some with that power which is why I steer clear of them.
Make your own future

When I was a child my Grandmother had a friend who called herself a Spiritualist, she worked through a medium who according to her was a red indian chief.
When my Grandmother paid her a visit once she gave her a line drawing of me she had done under the guidance of her medium.
She had never seen me,I was then about 2 yrs old, or any photos of me. It was an absolute likeness,I still have it somewhere.
I have no idea whether or not she was genuine but my Grandmother was a very down to earth devout Christian so who knows!!

DD was astounded at some things a medium told her. Things she couldn't possibly have known before. Nothing very scary luckily. Her friend was very taken about to be told by this woman of a very personal secret that she'd never ever told anyone.
While I'm sure there are charlatans about I'm equally sure there are people with this astonishing gift.

I am very sceptical however many years ago my cousin age 3 was chatting with grandmother and said there was a man in her bedroom. Granny said I expect it was Daddy, no cousin said it was Jesus and he held my hands and said come along WJ. Granny told the family and they all laughed, two weeks later a fireplace fell on her! It has shaken me!
Who knows!!

Perhaps my post should have read
it must work for them because they go back for more
i.e. for those who believe in it.

It must work because people go back for more.

A fallacy there. People go back because they hear what they want to hear.

Sarnia - do not be upset by this message - it does not exist.

Reiki therapy can apparently be done over the phone. I asked a Reiki practitioner how this worked to cure physical ailments. Her answer was something involving "energies"
It must work because people go back for more.

I visited a healer once who dangled a crystal in front of me.
My backache was much better the next day but since I had also had a massage and taken painkillers I can't be sure if the crystal worked.

notgran

If Psychic Mediums are genuine, why are they having to make a not very successful living doing what they do? Why aren't they doing something good for humanity with these special powers? Performing in pubs, small theatres etc is hardly giving us confidence they are able to do anything other than take money from the susceptible.

Because they are not genuine. They are grifters and people are so gullible.