Child poverty

Oh, the dreaded "some people"

Nanny27

And as has often been pointed out before, poverty is relative. Children in some, often war torn countries with no shelter or any food or medical care versus children in our country with somewhere to live (may not be very nice) a free education and health care. Do we have children in uk who do not have access to decent food?

There’s non so blind as them who can not see.
Or, in some cases,as them who don’t want to see 😡

Luckygirl3

The causes of child poverty in Britain run deep - there is no quick fix.

People who become parents who have felt alienated by the rigid school system and treated like cast-offs - they then become drop-outs with no stake in our society so drift into parenthood whilst unable to support a family.

This has been happening over generations - today's parents are the children of alienated parents and so the cycle of deprivation whirls on and on.

We need real solid properly funded support services for young families to help their children become good parents in their turn. Come on Kier - get behind this.

As to international child poverty caused by wars ....... I see no solution at all. There are leaders around the world who treat people, including children, as expendable - as pawns in their game. How to bring this to an end? I truly have no idea whatsoever. It is too huge and too fundamental. I despair....

Excellent post, Luckygirl.

M0nica

Wyllow3

The very rich don't care and many don't try to help. What is wrong with them 😡

Never understood.

That is not true. Many wealthy people donate £millions to charitable causes each year and most seem to have charitable foundations.

Many of the wealthy do not want all the fawning around them that beng seen to be giving to charity can cause so choose to donate money uietly in privacy or anonymity.

I've always thought charity is great for the donor but not so good for the recipient.

Far better to pay taxes for services / allowances that will provide a safety net for children in poverty, & services that are more universal rather than charities that are great for the children that benefit from them but don't reach most.

Pensioners traditionally haven't liked applying for pension credit because they're too proud. How much worse for them if they had to apply to a charity to top-up their pension? Old people don't have a monopoly on self-respect.

I do give to charities but mainly for warzones / overseas aid / disaster appeals.

No one is suggesting benefits be paid by charities, Wealthy people contribute to charities right across the charitable world from the causes you support, valdali.

And it an illusion that if we 'soak the rich' we will get vast quantities into the coffers. The really very wealthy are few in number

Increase income tax by one penny across all incomes and it will raise £6.9 billion.

Raise income tax by 5% on incomes over £250,000 a year and you get only a couple of billion. the idea that if we taxed rich people lots more we would get a huge rise in income is an illusion. Were you to raise the rate for only those whose income is £500,000 it would be even less.

There is also a question of the justice of taking 60-70% of someones income in taxes. If people have worked hard to build a business, or have saved and invested well, surely they should be allowed to keep half the income they earn.

The argument is made that clever accountants manage to make the most of legal tax avoidance. You can hardly blame wealthy people for that. The solution for that lies with the government itself. they are theones that set up all these tax avoidance schemes. It is up to them to dismantle them.

Our whole tax sytem in this country is quite unnecessarily complicated and therefore open to exploitation - and that is the government's responisbility.

Anyone remember the fuss that footballer Marcus Rashford had to make, so that kids could get free school meals?

watermeadow

There should be no child poverty in Britain. Of course there is, but I remember when every classroom had a few children who were dirty and smelly, with uncombed hair and feet in plimsoles or wellies.
There can’t be many now who have no mobile phone or no TV at home and they are all clean.

They certainly are not all clean! In our son’s primary school some years ago, they had a washing machine and dryer as some parents had no facilities. In many areas, that hasn’t changed.

We are able to direct parents to the community centre where there is a washing machine for their use.

I find it extraordinary that foodbanks have become an acceptable part of modern society; that families have to go to foodbanks to feed their children. They have become the new normal. This is the first thing in my view that Keir Starmer - or his successor - has to address. Child poverty must end.

I think that what we term "child poverty" in this country is often not nearly so poor as in other countries where families have literally nothing at all, no money or food aid. At least in the UK families have benefits, even if they are not what most of us would term generous.

cc

I think that what we term "child poverty" in this country is often not nearly so poor as in other countries where families have literally nothing at all, no money or food aid. At least in the UK families have benefits, even if they are not what most of us would term generous.

not what most of us would term generous
The average yearly wage is in the region of £39.039. A family with 3 children and both parents working need to earn a yearly wage of £71,000 to match the benefits of a family with 3 children and both parents unemployed. Generous enough it seems.

I reckon its sll down to batch cooking, myself...

Part of it is a choice, you know if you choose not to work or only work part time and have a large family that you are going to be short of cash. The child element of universal credit and regular child benefit is just short of £100pw per child. What's very unjust is get a benefit package of £60k and it's real with removal of the 2 child cap you keep your family allowance but earn £60k you lose it.

Is it me you are referring to as blind Petra?
I take exception to your use if such a rude cliche. I have give over half my life working with families whose children live with poverty. I've seen benefits misused and foodbanks abused (by some, not all). I've worked to help some families who genuinely struggle to make ends meet and others who use benefits unwisely to the detriment of their children.
Please do not refer to me as blind.

Wyllow3

The very rich don't care and many don't try to help. What is wrong with them 😡

Never understood.

The top 2% pay 50% of all the taxes, they probably think they are doing their fair share.

midgey

Nanny27 I think the fact that there are food banks would point to the fact there are children in this country who don’t have access to decent food.

Surely the presence of food banks illustrates that in UK children DO have access to decent food, free. Plus free meals at breakfast club and school dinner.

It's not lack of food that's producing a generation of obese , socially struggling, insecure children and young adults who can't cope with school or other people.

This is the result of a toxic mental diet from screen media eroding reality and replacing it with unsustainable fantasy.

daughterofbonniebelle

I find it extraordinary that foodbanks have become an acceptable part of modern society; that families have to go to foodbanks to feed their children. They have become the new normal. This is the first thing in my view that Keir Starmer - or his successor - has to address. Child poverty must end.

You can never stop all child poverty because some of the poverty is caused by the decisions parents make. There are bad parents, bad parenting and mismanagement of money.

When you remove all children from one level of poverty, we simply move the goalposts. There will always be 10% of children with access to less resources than the other 90%, even when all children in a country are fully fed, dressed and live in warm houses.

Maremia

Anyone remember the fuss that footballer Marcus Rashford had to make, so that kids could get free school meals?

Free school meals had existed for decades. MR's intervention was to promote free school meals during school closures in the pandemic.

MissAdventure

I reckon its sll down to batch cooking, myself...

What with false nails? Whilst watching a massive TV? Sorry no time, too busy getting tattoos

Fallingstar

As an erstwhile teacher I can assure you there are kids in this country who have no access to three meals a day, some making do with the meal they have at school and when they are not at school am not sure how they survive. In schools throughout the UK there are teachers who will provide some kids with a round of toast when they arrive and the chance to shower and change their clothes. These kids are often dull eyed and dirty, some are carers for a disabled parent, others are simply neglected or their parent/parents can’t make ends meet.
They have no agency and are robbed of the chance of a half decent education due to missing school or being too malnourished/tired to take part.
It breaks my heart.

I have 2 relatives who are teachers and they both say similar things, some children have horrendous lives and it often seems that a kindly teacher or dinner lady is their only help. Very sad.
Cannot believe comments made by Nanny 27 who questions whether there are any children in this country not getting decent meals.

In Scotland 100k children have been in poverty for the duration of the government. Evety time a poverty issue is raised it's another 100k children. Goodness knows what the benefit system has been doing as the number is static. Of course will include those who are in work but earn low wages.

keepcalmandcavachon

MissAdventure

I reckon its sll down to batch cooking, myself...

What with false nails? Whilst watching a massive TV? Sorry no time, too busy getting tattoos

For a very small proportion of families that is true. For the vast majority it is not.

knspol

Fallingstar

As an erstwhile teacher I can assure you there are kids in this country who have no access to three meals a day, some making do with the meal they have at school and when they are not at school am not sure how they survive. In schools throughout the UK there are teachers who will provide some kids with a round of toast when they arrive and the chance to shower and change their clothes. These kids are often dull eyed and dirty, some are carers for a disabled parent, others are simply neglected or their parent/parents can’t make ends meet.
They have no agency and are robbed of the chance of a half decent education due to missing school or being too malnourished/tired to take part.
It breaks my heart.

I have 2 relatives who are teachers and they both say similar things, some children have horrendous lives and it often seems that a kindly teacher or dinner lady is their only help. Very sad.
Cannot believe comments made by Nanny 27 who questions whether there are any children in this country not getting decent meals.

Yes, my niece is a teacher - in a relatively affluent area - but she still keeps a stash of things like cereal bars/protein bars in her desk because she knows there are children who will come in hungry, and a hungry child can't concentrate or work properly.

Yes there are food banks and most have relatively healthy food available, that then requires gas/electric to cook it, utensils/pots and even a cooker in some cases. Plus, if you’re on a pay meter for fuel it could be hot water, a hot meal or heating if you’re down to your last few quid. Never mind nails and you need a mobile to look for work, contact the job centre, schools and so forth.
I’d like to see far fewer single parents, most of whom are mothers with little family support, particularly from the fathers. We have good, accessible contraception in this country, again, this cycle of perpetuates across generation and I really don’t understand it. Or have any idea of how to halt or at least reduce the numbers.

Rashford's free school meals project was fiercely opposed by the Government.