Draft Bill to enforce belief in “transgenderism”

Ah, I think I know what is going on here.

Its now clear within the NHS already that this sort of practice is no-go: I have actually discussed it with my very good NHS psychologist as to the boundaries now set and the why's and wherefores:

But

We have to remember that there is a substantial private sector where this needs exact regulation, as they will for example give puberty blockers or may try and influence people in a way that is well out of order with current NHS guidelines

And that the voluntary sector also needs to be aware of the guidelines and therefore its being put into law.

All these guidelines actually relate to the Cass Review, after which a very small number of NHS clinics are now set up for young people: and bear in mind that for adults, there is a very complex process involving proper counselling laid down before treatment of all kinds.

The problem is now a huge shortage of access for both young people and adults, and that is why people go to the private sector.

I dont know that I do have a deeper understanding to be honest, it is like wading through treacle sometimes. So the argument is that lots of the young women who are being told they are trans are in fact lesbians. That being told you are in the wrong body is a form of conversion therapy in itself. So some worry that if gender identity is included in the conversion bill, therapists who are simply saying to young women 'have you thought you might be gay rather than trans' would fall victim to this legislation.

winterwhite

Surely ‘belief’ can’t be ‘enforced’.

There are those who will try it!

Surely ‘belief’ can’t be ‘enforced’.

You have a deeper understanding of the issues Galaxy, and I don't understand how lesbians would be adversely affected. They seem to have been shoved aside in any discussions I have seen around this topic.
A bit muddle, my apologies.

I mean b) alone is a serious worry to me.

The lgb alliance have some similar concerns to the op, they are opposed to the bill, they believe it will harm gay people ( particularly lesbians) as it poses a risk to those who suggest to young women that rather than being ' born in the wrong body' they may be gay.
I trust the definition of serious harm in the way I trust some people's definition of women.

I'm not sure that beliefs (as opposed to actions) can be enforced or outlawed, but as Smileless says, this is very specifically about abusive conversion, and it applies to those attempting to 'convert' others to or from a belief that they are transgender.

It would make it an offence to encourage children towards hormone or surgical treatments, which, IMO can only be a good thing, as both are abusive. It would also make it an offence to abusively 'convert' someone from their belief that they are 'in the wrong body'. The word 'abusive' is crucial here. It is defined as something that causes:
(a) serious harm to the individual’s physical or mental health, or
(b) serious alarm or distress to the individual which has a substantial adverse effect on their usual day-to-day activities.

Is anyone going to argue that causing serious harm to others is acceptable?

Thank you Sago

These misleading thread titles are so annoying.

I thought that was already outlawed?

Yes, it relates to abusive conversion practices which I can't see parents wishing to protect their children ever engaging with.

This is Stonewalls response;

www.stonewall.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-us/ban-conversion-practices/everything-you-need-know-about-conversion-practices

This is the bill;

www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-conversion-practices-bill/conversion-practices-draft-bill

Can you please point to some information on this please? I can only find a draft bill relating to abusive conversion practices.