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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 19-Feb-15 15:34:17

Dog poo wars

Villem Saks contemplates the humble dog poo. Is it as much of a problem as it seems? Or are village dog poo <fanatics> prowlers fixing their beady eyes on the wrong problem? Villem considers...

Villem Saks

Dog poo wars

Posted on: Thu 19-Feb-15 15:34:17

(135 comments )

Lead photo

Villem's late canine companion, Rocky.

Poor old dogs, they get a bum deal. Horses produce manure and cats do their business, yet dogs 'foul' or produce 'mess'. Granted, getting the stuff on your shoes and walking it across a clean carpet isn’t fun, but that’s about as bad as it gets.

So why does it divide communities and why do some of us recoil in horror at the stuff? Let's start by choosing the right word for it. I'm sticking with turd. Sure it's a little coarse but it has impeccable heritage in that it comes from the Old Norse tordyfill meaning dung beetle. I reckon humans are repelled by dog turds because deep down, psychologically, they remind us of our own. There's no research to quote but maybe it's an evolutionary thing which maintains our perceived superiority over lesser mammals. The notion that our waste products look and often smell the same as dogs is an affront and might be upsetting for many people.
There is the big issue of kids going blind from Toxocariasis which is caused by roundworms in dog turds. If children eat them then there could be a risk of infection. However, according to the NHS there have only been 30 cases in England and Wales between 2000 and 2010. Cases that involve blindness are rare.

In many villages and towns there are ongoing crusades to wipe out dog turds from public places with the use of ruthless highly-trained Council Response Against Poo operatives who will stalk and fine anyone seen committing a turd offence.


Recent anti dog turd signage also blames domestic dogs as a major cause of the apocalyptic sounding Neosporosis which causes cattle to abort. However, according to many vets the science is not conclusive. Some maintain that it is mainly farm dogs which carry the cysts that infect cattle. And yet these diseases are touted as major health risks. In many villages and towns there are ongoing crusades to wipe out dog turds from public places with the use of ruthless highly-trained Council Response Against Poo operatives who will stalk and fine anyone seen committing a turd offence. They will liaise with curtain-twitching residents who, on orders from many local parish and town councils, will be expected to report their neighbours giving a description of the poor mutt and details of the errant deposition.

There is some rationale for implementing a program of information and enforcement in urban areas but is it a problem in the village environment? There's no doubt there are those who let their dogs deposit anywhere including the weird people who pick up nicely in a plastic bag and then toss it into a hedge where it hangs forlornly; presumably waiting for the Dog Turd Collection team from the local authority.

It’s really a matter of common sense. Pick up where it is plainly apparent that someone could step in it. Bagging a turd on a wind-swept hill or farmer's field seems like overkill. An agile flick of the boot which sends the offending lump into a hedge or stream is not going to cause an outbreak of bubonic plague.

The maximum fixed penalty for failing to pick up a dog turd is £1,000. In the UK each year about 2,400 children are killed or seriously injured on the road. Many of these accidents are caused by excessive speed. The maximum fine for speeding is also £1,000. There are speed gun patrols in some villages but when it comes to installing bumps or flashing signs, the Parish council bleats on about the cost and how it will impinge upon character of the village. Dog turds, it seems, are more of a problem.

Villem Saks is the author of How to survive the English Village: a guide for retirees, returning expats and folk not from these parts, available from Amazon.

By Villem Saks

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Jaxie Fri 06-Mar-15 18:04:28

Why can't dog owners drag their crap machines onto the gutter to defecate. I can't understand why the mess is always in the middle of the foot path.

amarmai Sun 01-Mar-15 19:30:30

I live in a town house complex where we pay monthly fees to maintain the pathways we jointly own , gardens , lawns etc We are surrounded by high rises and are having to pay maintenance people to clean up dog dirt left everywhere. Also the bin beside our mailboxes , which is intended for junk mail, is being used for dog dirt bags- which means that the paper contents cannot be recycled. Yet others simply drop the bag in the vicinity of this bin-or simply do not pick up at all.There are even people who drive up to the gates ,park and block the exit/entrance ,open their car doors and allow their dogs to go out on their own to use the "facilities' then return to the car when done.

DotMH55 Sun 01-Mar-15 09:51:50

I walk with my grandchildren to take them to school and back - we have to dodge the dog poo on both the pavement and the right of way we use. I have had to scrape my grandchildren's shoes several times to clean the dog poo off when they have accidently trodden in it and it makes me feel sick, the smell is usually dreadful.

I really don't understand what the issue is with cleaning up after your own dog. Why have one if you are not prepared to deal with the poo!

I too wonder about the people who bag the poo and then throw the bag into trees and bushes - who do they think is going to clear it up?

Please don't think that I dislike dogs over the years I have had several dogs including a Beagle and two Border Cross Terriers at the same time. We always scooped the poop and disposed of it properly.

chocolatepudding Fri 27-Feb-15 13:06:06

DH uses a temporary spray paint - used for marking out building sites and temporary roadworks so it only lasts about a week. We both care about the wildlife too.

ojeezus Fri 27-Feb-15 09:30:17

chocolatepudding - I do hope he's using ecologically sound paint spray. One wouldn't want to risk poisoning birds and wild animals with something toxic.

pompa Fri 27-Feb-15 08:24:31

Dog wardens ??. So this means that those of us without dogs have to contribute towards clearing up after filthy dog owners, gee thanks.

loopyloo Fri 27-Feb-15 08:13:37

Reading the comments, it seems that efficient dog wardens are the answer. Dogs should be supervised in public parks ,and the owners should be supervised as well. And fined when caught.

chocolatepudding Thu 26-Feb-15 20:43:27

ojeezus - If you live near me my DH has used three tins of spray paint (blue, orange and yellow) to mark all offending turds on the river path and the bridleway on our land. He has also stuck small notices on hazel sticks by each pile telling lazy dog owners to clear up after their dog. There are enormous piles of C* so it must be larger dogs making the mess.

Ana Thu 26-Feb-15 19:59:13

I agree that the shaming idea isn't likely to work. It might even have the opposite effect! hmm

ojeezus Thu 26-Feb-15 19:22:37

It surely gets stranger - if the council can afford to pay someone to patrol the footpaths armed with a aerosol, could they not ask the fella to pick up the poo, instead of painting it? I'm not sure shaming people works. Unless they're named in the pub.

Ana Thu 26-Feb-15 18:42:10

Quite a few councils in England and Wales have done this over the past few years - it's supposed to draw residents' attention to the problem and hopefully shame dog owners who allow their pets to foul local streets without picking up after them.

(Strange choice of username, BTW! )

ojeezus Thu 26-Feb-15 18:32:04

I live in a small village and the dog poo issue often causes apoplectic rumbles amongst the residents. The pros and cons have been well considered here but there is one bizarre activity that we have experienced: someone has been out and spray painted said turds in bright blue. I'm not sure whether this has been done by a dog-owner - to assist walkers and stop them treading in it or by an anti-poo campaigner to make a point. Has anyone else come across this phenomenon?

Elegran Thu 26-Feb-15 18:08:31

There was a time twenty or more years ago when our street was persistently fouled by a couple of dogs, neither of which was ever seen without a lead on. One day I was looking out of the front window when one man allowed his dog to poo a lead's length up my drive, in the very centre, while he stood and watched it. When he saw me looking he hauled on the lead so that the poor thing had to stagger across the pavement, pooing as it went - more mess.

I started taking out a watering-can of strong disinfectant every day and pouring it over the pavement, in the hope that the smell might put the dogs off, and the wet patch give a broad hint to the owners. One woman led her doggie out into the road to that his delicate paws would not be comtaminated by it, so perhaps it had some effect (She saw me watering and remarked "You should get a good crop" to which I answered "I should do, it has had plenty of fertilizer" )

It stopped when the man owning the first dog died - they like to poo where others have marked the spot, and when the worst offender had gone, the others did not persist.

annemac101 Thu 26-Feb-15 17:31:47

I've moved temporary to a smallish village. Plenty of dog walks around and most people have multiple dogs. I have never seen a stray or any dog on it's on and yet the pavements are covered in dog pooh. It's the worst I have ever seen. My friend came to visit and parked her car on the road outside my house when she was going home she had to step over dog mess to open her car door. I myself have a German Shepherd and he poohs in the garden before we go out but I always take bags to clean up after him. Something has to be done it's disgusting.

sussexpoet Thu 26-Feb-15 15:12:09

I lived in London for many years, and grew more and disgusted by the state of pavements, grass verges, parks, etc. Personally, I think there are far too many dogs in the UK generally and in London particularly. I would urge any future government to reinstate dog licences, at a realistic figure for today, say £20 renewable annually (with obvious allowances for guide dogs, OAPs' dogs, etc). All dogs to be fitted with a microchip at birth, which would record whether the licence fee for the year had been paid or not. All non-licenced and stray dogs to be culled. The British have had for many years a reputation throughout Europe for liking their dogs more than their children - and I'm afraid it's justified.

Braganza Thu 26-Feb-15 14:44:47

I live in London, and dog fouling is a huge problem. Apart from the obvious disgusting mess - the residue from bagged poo, may not be easy to spot, particularly at night.
I am saddened by the fact that when I take my grandchildren out, instead of encouraging their curiosity and delight in nature and architecture, and running around the park without a care,our eyes have to be on the pavement (or grass) all the time. The thing is, once a dog poo has already been stepped on once, it is harder to identify it before it's too late! Our enjoyment is so often ruined by the selfish behaviour of dog-owners.

Anya Thu 26-Feb-15 12:55:01

Hymnbook a land mine should do the trick.

Mishap Thu 26-Feb-15 09:05:18

I have posted this suggestion before, but maybe Hymnbook has not seen it.

Pick up the offending poo and place is in a large paper bag. Place said bag upon neighbour's doorstep - light the paper bag at the same time as ringing their doorbell. Neighbour will emerge from front door, see the burning bag and proceed to try and stamp out the flames - you then have to hope he gets the hint!

Iam64 Thu 26-Feb-15 08:44:58

Hymnbook - the only deterrent I can think of is a large fence. I'm taking it as a given that you have asked your neighbour not to allow his dog to do this?
There is also the alternative option - become a very unpleasant snooper and photograph this man and his dog, over the course of several days. Present the "evidence" to your local dog warden and community police person. This course of action won't endear you to your neighbour and you'd need to consider the possible longer term consequences. Good luck

axlefoley Wed 25-Feb-15 23:37:29

Yes I agree more notices put up on walks etc I think would help with the problem and would not cost to much.

rosequartz Wed 25-Feb-15 19:49:04

Have pmd you with a suggestion, Hymnbook

loopylou Wed 25-Feb-15 19:28:48

Do hope no one else is reading this whilst eating their supper (me)....... One way of reducing how much you eat I guess!
It's an offence not to clear up after your dog in public places, shouldn't it apply to other people's lawns too Hymnbook?

Hymnbook Wed 25-Feb-15 19:15:58

My neighbour has a dog He leaves it alone all night whilst at work Every morning when he arrives home from work it is let out off the lead & it goes straight onto my grass no fence He used to pick the pooh up but no longer does this I am sick of having to clear up after his dog. I dread the warmer weather. I like to sit in my garden & I have grandddaughters who come to play there. Can any one suggest a deterrent I can buy to put on the grass ?

hildajenniJ Mon 23-Feb-15 17:23:16

I take a bag everywhere I go, when I have the dog with me. I clean up after her wherever we are. I used to have a cat when I was a child. My Dad hated planting in the garden, as he was never sure where the cat had been! My dog's poo is usually quite solid and picks up easily, the cat poo remained quite liquid, eugh!

Ana Mon 23-Feb-15 16:46:35

grannyactivist, I've had several cats over the years and all were trained to use a litter tray - in the house.

I don't think a cat could be trained to only use a litter tray, especially when it's out and about sometimes far from home!