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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 01-Apr-15 19:10:08

If angels are real, what else have we got wrong?

Following her first, and hugely popular, guest blog post on Gransnet, Hattie Edmonds is back with more otherworldly experiences, angelic or otherwise. Add yours to the thread below.

Hattie Edmonds

If angels are real, what else have we got wrong?

Posted on: Wed 01-Apr-15 19:10:08

(122 comments )

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What else are we missing?

'Angels? Reality or a load of old tosh?' was the original title for the Gransnet blog post about the possible existence of angels, and when I wrote it, I didn't expect for a millisecond that it would get such a massive response. The thread has been running for over five months now and still the extraordinary stories are winging their way in.

So, recently I sent an email around my friends to see if they'd had any similarly inexplicable experiences. Within forty eight hours my inbox was jammed, but for obvious reasons of space I've had to select just two from the dozens of replies.

First is Sophie, who was incredibly close to her mother and was finding it very difficult to cope after her death. When some friends invited her and her family for a week's holiday in a place called Silver Island in Northwest Canada, she was unsure of whether to go so soon after the funeral, but eventually she accepted.

One morning, she woke feeling particularly sad and set out to row across the lake to Silver Island. On the way there, she was suddenly filled with a sense of peace, feeling that her mother was "somehow very close". Arriving back at the house and still feeling that her mother was very much with her, she went into the kitchen and there on the breakfast table was a copy of the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper. She picked it up and it fell open at a photo of her mother along with a full-page obituary.

To this day, Sophie has no idea why an obituary of her mother, Simone Mirman, should appear in the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper. Granted, she had been a very talented milliner who had lived in France and once made hats for the royal family, but was that enough to merit an entire page along with a photo?

But if we dare for a moment to believe that angels really do exist, what else about life - and death - might we need to rethink?


"I’m a very rational person," said Sophie, "but I know it was a message from my mother… her way of saying goodbye."

And then there's Diana, a mate from my yoga class, who described an incident from seven years ago, when she was driving with her then-husband along the motorway at night. He’d had a bit to drink and had asked her to stop so he could have a pee. She told him it was too dangerous, but he insisted so she eventually gave in and pulled over onto the hard shoulder, whereupon he jumped out of the car, weaving across the motorway towards the other side.

Diane raced after him and was halfway there, still in the middle of the second motorway lane when she saw a pair of lorry headlights hurtling straight towards her. It was then that she blacked out. When she 'woke up', she was standing in her garden back in London. Family and friends were gathered both outside the house and inside, although nobody was saying hello to her. So she pushed her way into the house, to the sitting room, in the centre of which was a coffin. She walked over and peered inside.

Staring down at the body laid out, she saw it was the exact double of her. At this point, the eyes of the 'other' Diane snapped open and she saw the whole story of her life playing out in front of her, like a film. She felt herself being born (a very visceral experience, apparently), saw herself as a child walking to school with her best friend, as a teenager, then as a twenty-something in her first job, right up the present day. When the film ended, she heard herself say "I am going to be thirty six in ten days time, what have I got to show for my years?"

Then suddenly, the 'real' Diane was awake again and standing on the motorway. But this time she wasn't in the middle anymore. "It was as if someone had physically moved me seven or eight meters, back onto the hard shoulder. Yet the lorry’s headlights were in exactly same position as they had been before. Seconds later it thundered by, missing me by meters.

"I still can’t work out how I could have moved that distance in what could only have been a split second," she says, "all I know is that the experience made me completely change my life."

Several years ago, I would have thought such stories were simply the result of over-active imaginations. But now, at the magical age of 51, I’ve started to feel differently. With the anecdotal evidence growing, it’s not quite so easy to brush aside anymore. But if we dare for a moment to believe that angels really do exist, what else about life - and death - might we need to rethink?

Hattie Edmonds' first novel Cinema Lumiere is out now and available from Amazon.

By Hattie Edmonds

Twitter: @HattieHEdmonds

HattieHoldenEdmonds Mon 13-Apr-15 14:56:44

Just finished reading "Expecting Adam" by Martha Beck, a Harvard professor, who describes her journey from valuing only the 'rational, intellectual and explicable' - to experiencing, then writing about, the extraordinary and the magical. Brilliant book.

Grannybug Mon 13-Apr-15 10:37:23

smile loopylou. My feelings exactly.

out2grass Mon 13-Apr-15 10:18:42

I'm sorry Soutra that you took my comment so personally concerning open or closed minds. I actually did refer to a number of contributors, but only mentioned Loopyloo in having had the experience of 'something happening'.
The only time I made any comment concerning you directly, was to quote back something you yourself had said!

I think that if you re-read my posting you will also notice that I make a point of only calling Angels angels, (note the question marks) because it seemed the only name I could give to my amazing and varied experiences. There was certainly no intention to anger or upset you, but it reads that I actually have done just that......for which I apologise.

ChrisCal Mon 06-Apr-15 17:01:12

Thank you, Gannyknot.

Grannyknot Mon 06-Apr-15 15:56:49

HI Chris welcome to Gransnet. And - grin

ChrisCal Mon 06-Apr-15 15:24:19

Hello to you all.

I'm new to Gransnet and enjoying the website enormously. This particular thread is so interesting. Can't add much, except that I am a church-going believer and am often moved to prayer when suffering the drone of our local priest in one of his 20-minute-plus sermons. They always spur me to fervent prayer. I pray "Dear God, please make him stop."

Oh, something else: This world would be a better place if folk were not so ready to judge others.

Penstemmon Sat 04-Apr-15 20:26:59

For people like me, brought up to believe and worship, but then choosing a different set of values, it is important to check I have made the right choice so continue to question. Sometimes people of faith find that very challenging and see it as attack but honestly I put forward questions /ideas to see how /what other people think and how they came to their path of faith. I quite enjoy a church service but then I listen to the words and realise I cannot believe it.

pompa Sat 04-Apr-15 20:07:51

It's just a part of my hobby, skills have to be passed on.

soontobe Sat 04-Apr-15 20:05:09

They will be glad of your help pompa. Lovely.

Ana Sat 04-Apr-15 20:04:51

That's a real contribution to the community, Pompa - something to be proud of. smile

Faye Sat 04-Apr-15 19:41:26

I do know church jingle many of our generation went to church when we were younger. My three DC are all christened, it was traditional. DD1 was christened in a lovely old church where I was christened and married, so were my mother and grandmother both christened and married there.

pompa Sat 04-Apr-15 19:40:50

The chapel runs an aero modeling group for it's younger members, as a life long aero modeler, I help out with my expertise, hope to convert a few of them into my beliefs -- that today's aero modelers may become tomorrow's engineers.
I have to say, they accept me without trying to convert me.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 04-Apr-15 19:15:17

There is so much more to a church than the sermons. Especially little ones like pompa mentions.

Faye Sat 04-Apr-15 19:08:27

I see jingle, don't know if I could listen to a sermon just to be social. hmm

Ana Sat 04-Apr-15 19:07:12

Open mind, fair enough!

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 04-Apr-15 19:06:32

Church is for humans. Not for saints. Mrs P probably believes for both of them.

Grannyknot Sat 04-Apr-15 19:05:57

Maybe pompa goes there with his atheism and an open mind. Nothing wrong with that ....

Ana Sat 04-Apr-15 19:03:18

What, even if they're atheists? Seems a bit hypocritical to me!

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 04-Apr-15 18:58:08

A lot of people go to church to be part of the social group. Nothing wrong with that.

Faye Sat 04-Apr-15 18:52:42

Pompa why on earth would you bother to attend a chapel if you have no beliefs, I am confused

Maggiemaybe it was said tongue in cheek, hence the smile. Though if I could..... smile

Grannyknot Sat 04-Apr-15 18:11:41

Heiney also writes:

It might be this week, next year, a decade hence. And if it came it would be in the form of a few words that exploded in my head out of nowhere. They would not come when I am thinking about him. But they will come, I know it.
‘Ah, that’s a common symptom of grief — voices from the dead,’ the materially minded wise will mutter. ‘We have a good scientific explanation for it. It can be understood by neuroscientists. We can scan the brain and we can see ...’ And on and on they ramble with their self-satisfied scientific explanations.

Lilygran Sat 04-Apr-15 18:10:09

Why does it matter that other people believe things you don't, feetle? And, pompa I think that's just what feetle is doing! tbuhmm

Grannyknot Sat 04-Apr-15 18:07:28

feetle I can picture you on your knees saying "Don't make me beg!" grin

For the record, I am not one of the divinely sensitive, I just enjoy reading about these "happenings". Intriguing is the word that springs to mind.

I've twice read elsewhere this week about similar events - once in a book I won on GN called "Under One Roof" (loved the book). It is about a construction engineer who befriended the old lady in the middle of a proposed shopping mall site (his project) who refused to leave her house and sell to the developer. They struck up a close friendship over the next two years (his site office was next to her house) and he cared for her to the end when she became ill. He grew to love her like a grandmother. The book is very down to earth. Yet he reports (with all the usual caveats about not believing in spirits etc) hearing her call his name twice, after she died. He was standing with a colleague who heard it too (or so he says in the book).

The other that I found intriguing was Paul Heiney, the rather dour-looking Yorkshireman on Countryfile, writing about his son Nicholas' suicide: For it is only when you are under stars so sharp in the sky that to brush your finger over them might scar you, that you understand that the sum total of human knowledge is so pathetically small that there is no one on earth qualified to doubt any idea about life or death.

pompa Sat 04-Apr-15 17:31:10

No one needs to prove their beliefs, they are personal to themselves. The only time proof may be required is if you are trying to convert someone to your beliefs. I don't see anyone trying to covert here.

loopylou Sat 04-Apr-15 17:14:59

tbuconfused