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obieone Thu 28-Jan-16 14:52:10

It became about the bottom line. Not sure when more competition from abroad happened. EU trade? Joining the Common Market 1976?

gillybob Thu 28-Jan-16 13:54:27

My mum's pay was diabolical Jane10 less than "board of trade" (as it was called then).

Willow500 Thu 28-Jan-16 13:50:05

One of the guys who works for us calls me Ma'am when he rings up - I quite like it smile

Jane10 Thu 28-Jan-16 13:10:31

I can relate to your Mums experience. When I worked in such a store it was actually a pleasure to really concentrate on 'my' customers. I enjoyed working like that but the pay wasn't great!

gillybob Thu 28-Jan-16 10:57:26

My mum used to work for an upmarket ladies wear shop. It sold furs (back in the day) and all the very posh brands of clothes she couldn't afford to own herself. Although having said that part of the "pay package" was being allowed to purchase 2 items a season at "cost price" which was often still very much beyond my mums reach. These items were supposed to be worn to work in order to attract the right type of customer.

During working hours the staff were forbidden to refer to each other by their Christian name and had to call each other Mrs Smith, Miss Barnes etc.

The owner was referred to as Mr Brown and his poncy son was known as "Young Mr Duncan" although he was about 45 !

My mum took her role very seriously indeed and really got involved with her "ladies" ensuring that they sought her out every time they shopped as they could be assured of Mrs Gillybob senior's full attention at all times. Sometimes she would spend hours going through 20-30 outfits for a special occasion and "her lady" would leave empty handed!

The shop had the most amazing "tailoring" department where a lady who had seen that special something (but not in her size) could be whisked away, pinned and tacked, for the said item to be ready to wear within the hour !

Blimey you just don't get service like that any more do you?

KatGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 28-Jan-16 10:33:12

Nobody to call me Madam?

What's killing the traditional department store? Jane Tulloch shares her tale of the theatrical ambience and glitz of department stores in the late 1960s, and wonders what has happened to them.

Jane Tulloch

Nobody to call me Madam?

Posted on: Thu 28-Jan-16 10:33:12

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"These shops did more than sell goods: they sold us on luxury and pleasure: they made us feel special."

Whatever happened to the good old fashioned department stores of yore? The ones where they called you madam and there were delicate little chairs at each counter for madam to perch on as she discussed her order with the attentive black-dressed assistant.

The ones where you could buy (and have delivered) anything from a pin to a grand piano with everything and anything else in between. Such department stores used to be found in every large town and city throughout the country. In Cardiff there was Howells, in Bradford Brown, Muff and Co, Manchester had Kendal Milne. London had several including Harrods of course, as well as Liberty’s, Whitely’s and Dickins and Jones.

A few, a brave few of these traditional department stores, do remain although almost as tourist attractions and tending to be owned by large overseas conglomerates rather than the families who used to own and run them.

I well remember the thrill of entering a large department store in Edinburgh: the door was swung wide for us by a uniformed commissionaire who touched his cap to my mother and gave every indication that she was known to him and her custom appreciated. She nodded regally. I was impressed. I was even more impressed when taken for a half term treat of lunch in the dining room of a large Glasgow department store. While we consumed our meal, beautiful models wandered coolly around the tables in a range of expensive outfits and elegantly displayed key features such as velvet lapels or fan pleated skirts for our awed pleasure. These shops did more than sell goods: they sold us on luxury and pleasure: they made us feel special.

We weren't allowed to sit down, forbidden to fold our arms and banned from saying “Can I help you?” to customers (too off-putting apparently.)


Often beautiful, these old shops were almost theatrical in ambience. It was only when I began to work in one as a summer job in the 1970s that I realised that there was very much a backstage and a front of house. I could see clearly that the assistants were performing a role for the public but also that they had stories of their own. Each department was a venue for a drama, each customer and staff member a potential audience or actor. Of course, this potential had already been spotted and used by the 1970s sitcom “Are you being served” but, with its focus purely on comedy, a great deal was overlooked.

We had such fun there despite what now seem incredibly outdated rules and regulations. We weren’t allowed to sit down, forbidden to fold our arms and banned from saying “Can I help you?” to customers (too off-putting apparently.) The senior sales assistants (but not us juniors) were on commission and earned a massive 1p in every £2.40! The January sales were a time to dread: just looking at the tidal wave of ladies intent on bargains rushing down the department towards us was terrifying. This was mitigated by the laughs we had: calling each other ridiculous names in front of customers without smiling, sabotaging tasteful displays, treasure hunts around departments, complicated April fools tricks, and other examples of youthful exuberance. I’m sure gransnetters have many similar tales as customers and staff.

Why did these lovely stores decline from the late 1960s to 70s? Was it because we were seduced away by the proliferation of “boutiques” for our trendy clothing? The explosion of very modern chain stores on our high streets? Were the old department stores too hopelessly difficult to update? Most likely a combination of all these in conjunction with the dire economic times prevailing.

I miss them now there is nowhere left to call me madam.

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By Jane Tulloch

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