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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 01-Sept-16 17:42:07

How well do you know your partner?

After a small but deeply unsettling discovery, author Ann Turner wonders just how well you can ever know another person...

Ann Turner

How well do you know your partner?

Posted on: Thu 01-Sept-16 17:42:07

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How well can you know someone?

I’ve always thought that I could read my partner of twenty years like a map. I keep no secrets and felt comfortably assured that was reciprocated. In the past I haven’t been as perceptive as I thought, and this should have acted as a warning.

In my twenties, my colleague Michael was my best friend. He was supportive, and always there when I needed him. We'd stay up talking, confiding everything. When Michael met his wife-to-be, I was thrilled. Jenny was bright, with a quick humour and a warm heart that matched Michael's. After they married and Jenny became pregnant, I was so pleased for them. Until one day, Michael and I had lunch on a sparkling spring day and he told me that he was having an affair. Horrified, I said he must stop. He then confessed he'd had several affairs with married women he hadn't told me about. I couldn't believe my ears. I was very worried for Jenny.

Should I tell her? I didn’t think that was my business – but I did feel strongly that it was my duty to get Michael to tell her, and to commit to not being unfaithful again. But Michael didn't confess; he ran away, and stopped talking to all his friends, including me. At first I'd still see him at work. We'd pass in corridors, see each other in meetings, and he'd pretend we barely knew each other. And then he left work too. In spite of Jenny trying to contact him after their gorgeous little girl was born, he refused to see his daughter for the first years of her life, and after that only sporadically. How wrong I'd been about him. How little I really knew Michael, after all.

There's a shadow in me, a doubt. Secrets don't have to be big: small ones can cut deeply, like a sliver of glass.


Years later, I discovered my own partner had a secret. I was rummaging around our shed for gardening gloves when I found, tucked away in a dimly-lit corner, a beautiful little oil painting of the sea. What was it doing there? I’d never seen it before. Turning it over, slipped into its frame, was a card. From the ex-girlfriend of many years before, Fiona, wishing happy birthday, with kisses.

I supposed she had given it before we met, but I was concerned that it was hidden. I looked again at the front. The artist had signed the date – 2013. Only three years ago. Churning with shock, I rang Jenny, now a dear friend. She came
straight over, we walked around the park, me crying, she giving advice.

I found I wasn't up to a direct confrontation, I felt too raw and vulnerable. Instead, I hung the painting in our family room, near our dining table, where it fitted perfectly with our other landscape art. A chill ran through me – had Fiona been to our place, to know our taste so well? Two days later my partner noticed the painting, and froze. I asked what was wrong? Nothing... After dinner there was a visit to the shed.

I was washing the dishes when the altercation began. My partner had been seeing Fiona, but promised that it was just as a friend. They were both historians – it was logical their paths crossed, but not wanting to upset me, I had been kept in the dark. I wasn’t fond of Fiona, a game-player who had tried to inveigle her way into our relationship when we first met, with odd invitations. She was peculiar, and deceptive. I was distraught that deception had spread. The painting was taken off the wall, with an apology. It went back to the shed where it was quickly lost amongst the mess and detritus of our lives that inevitably ends up there. I've always trusted my partner. Did I believe it was only friendship between them? I wanted to keep trusting – I had to keep trusting.

But there's a shadow in me, a doubt. Secrets don't have to be big: small ones can cut deeply, like a sliver of glass. I wish I'd never found the painting, because sometimes now I look and wonder: how well do I know my partner? I hope better than I knew Michael.

When we look into their eyes, hear their words, do we ever really know what's going on inside another person, or is there something unreachable in us all?

Ann's book The Lost Swimmer is published by Simon & Schuster and is available now from Amazon.

By Ann Turner

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Jaxie Wed 28-Sept-16 17:57:40

Thank you Kittylester & Synonymous, Your sympathy for me means a lot. Fortunately, women friends offer comfort too. What should we do without them?

Im68Now Mon 26-Sept-16 08:42:52

Any situation is alright until something better comes along.
We've been together since 1972 and in all that time OH has never wondered, or has HE

I don't think I want to know, I'm quite happy being who I am in a relationship that seems to have lasted well.

Trust is a wonderful thing, how can a person remain in a relationship with out any.

Envious Mon 26-Sept-16 01:49:50

Being married to someone you don't have total faith in must be miserable. A big blow to someone's self esteem. I admire anyone who can rebuild trust after a betrayal they say it can be done. I found out after my marriage broke up from my ex's next ex he had cheated on me. I was very unaware. If I'd known I know I'd not of had thoughts of wishing it had worked out. I'm happily remarried sunshine 30 years and he lives with his mother.

Synonymous Mon 26-Sept-16 00:03:04

I am aware that some folk have really dreadful and upsetting experiences and I have great sympathy for anyone in that position flowers

Synonymous Sun 25-Sept-16 23:59:36

I think [willa] is right and that you do have to give the benefit of the doubt for your own peace of mind. One of my friends acknowledges her own paranoia and often says, "Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." confused

As someone else on here said about her DH, my DH is also a simple soul and what you see is what you get. He has, in the past, been totally traumatised when a woman colleague made a play for him. He innocently thought his wedding ring was protection enough and had to call in the cavalry - me! Even to this day he tells me I was good - very good! grin

willa45 Sat 24-Sept-16 15:27:42

There's an old motto that says "what you don't know, won't hurt you". Not always true of course, but when it comes to relationships the pendulum often swings from Blind Trust to Obsessive Paranoia and these extremes get people into trouble. They key is to always assume good faith on the part of another person, unless you have sufficient evidence to support otherwise. This applies to all kinds of relationships....your partner, your marriage, your friends, relatives, customers, fellow workers etc. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt, isn't exactly trust, but it's a step in the right direction.

kittylester Fri 16-Sept-16 13:23:26

Jaxie, I feel so sad for your situation and I sincerely hope you find some comfort in you life as it is now.

For everyone who has been betrayed, in whatever way, by the people who should give you unquestioning support. flowers

sarahellenwhitney Fri 16-Sept-16 12:37:59

An innocent ??yes really, 18 year old I met and married a man I was besotted with from the moment I set eyes on him.I was years later to find out he was on the rebound at that time having split up from a girl who his interfering mother had accused of having a relationship with her boss.
It then hit me that the passion in our marriage was all from my side but it had never dawned on me why when at times he would turn over in bed saying he had to be up early next day for a work commitment.I firmly believe this other woman remained in our marriage until the day he passed away. So did I ever really know this man who if I ever dared!!! to bring up the past just changed the subject.

Jaxie Tue 13-Sept-16 12:16:18

I sympathise with all the posters who have lost trust in their partner, as I did when he had an affair with a colleague. We stayed together and now, at 78, he is so "gone off" I doubt another woman would give him a second glance unless she was bloody desperate. He never reveals his true feelings for me, he's stingy and gloomy, so we leave apart, mostly, and get together for family occasions. When I started divorce proceedings all those years ago he panicked, worried I would get half our assets I suppose, so when I retired with a smallish pension I told him that unless he settled a good monthly allowance on me, it was divorce. He agreed, and now I can have all the holidays and nice things denied me by him in 54 years of marriage. I am terribly envious, though of those women whose partners back them up and seem to adore them.

Yane Mon 12-Sept-16 21:25:01

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janeayressister Sun 11-Sept-16 09:07:09

My DH has above average looks and I know he attracts women but he is a introvert. The one time that he actually was accosted by another woman at a works do ( he was the boss) he came home in a state.
He told me that the floozy had clutched his arm and he thought she was going to pull him down a dark corridor utowards the dance floor, instead she flung herself on him and kissed him.
He knows that he couldn't do much with a big knife sticking out of his back anyway.
But the next day, in she comes into his office and perches on his desk and behaves in a familiar way.
Well what a state of worry and anguish he was in.
I don't think he has got the stamina for an affair......but you never know. If he started putting smellies on and stopped wearing parachute pants, I might feel suspicious.

TriciaF Fri 09-Sept-16 18:14:54

Jings - my husband usually has a stash of choccie, but it's run out sad. It's only a certain type too, and I'm supposed to find it in the shops!
He also has a mancave.

merlotgran Fri 09-Sept-16 17:48:16

grin Already??

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Sept-16 17:25:54

grin

East Sussex is lovely. envy I need a short break.

merlotgran Fri 09-Sept-16 17:20:22

grin jingl. Same here. No pots and pans to bang as it's all in the oven but he can't see it so he thinks I'm not bothering.

He's now doing his usual thing of desperately trying to find excuses not to go away next week. He hates the idea until he gets there and then he's the life and soul.

So far:

He's constipated....So?
DD might forget to feed the cat....No she won't
The car might break down....We have AA cover.
We can't afford it....Bollocks Nonsense.
And so it goes on.

We're only going to East Sussex!!!

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Sept-16 17:08:29

I know that my old feller is currently sitting in front of the upstairs telly, having just come in from his man cave, and wondering anxiously when I am going to start banging pans in the kitchen.

And I am sitting here not banging pans, because I found his stash of choccie.

M0nica Fri 09-Sept-16 16:47:41

Why are so many om this thread obsessed with men and infidelity?

Nobody can ever read someone like a book whether a partner, child, parent, sibling or close friend. Even if most of the time you think can predict their behaviour, it does not mean that you can know exactly why they do it. Most people have hidden thoughts and attitudes that they never reveal, or only reveal when, out of the blue they suddenly act 'out of character'. How often that phrase is used when someone suddenly disappears, or does something awful that no-one can understand, then think of all the things that live in all of our minds that we never ever tell anyone.

I just cannot understand how anyone can even think they really know anybody. it doesn't mean that we cannot build lives on trust in other people, because most people do spend their lives being what people expect them to be. But know what is really going on in their minds, No, never.

petra Wed 07-Sept-16 14:57:40

Nothing shocks or surprises me where men and their willies are concerned. The one eyed trouser snake ( as my oh calls it) is a life force all on its own.

M0nica Mon 05-Sept-16 18:54:12

suzybe I am with you all the way.

Sharon1612 Mon 05-Sept-16 15:02:49

All of you are right. I suppose I now look for the other things in life together that are good. If I ever found out that he had been or is unfaithful, what would I do anyway. I don't fancy life on my own, so while there are still good bits I shall focus on them instead. By the way, he has secret choccie stashes all over the place smile

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 13:08:03

I'm glad I married a simple soul. smile

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 13:06:55

I know my dirty old bugger DH inside out. The only thing I'd find hidden in his shed these days though, is his stash of choccie that he won't let me steal.

kittylester Mon 05-Sept-16 12:53:20

I agree and I feel sad for people who have not had that comfort in their lives.. DH drives me bonkers at times (Eg currently angry) as I'm sure I do him, but I know he's there for me come what may!

suzybe Mon 05-Sept-16 12:33:52

Nobody can know another person totally regardless of how long they've been together. It isn't even possible to know what your partner truly thinks of you only what they tell you and vice versa. All anyone can hope for is to get told the truth and to find someone they can trust. I've been with my OH more than 50 years and neither of us can honestly say we know what the other is thinking but we can say we trust each other to be honest.

Sharon1612 Mon 05-Sept-16 10:37:45

I have read the above with much concern, however, realising that I am far from alone. I have been with my 2nd husband for nearly 20yrs. The earlier years were wonderful. But as time went on the physical distance was becoming apparent. He has always told me how much he loves me, but for the last 8 years he has never touched me or looked at me with any longing. I have quizzed him numerous times asking if he has had or is having an affair? He just denies it & says that he will go & see a doctor. What I have found out is that he has plenty of his mucky mags in his workshop & women are always attracted to him, even going as far as flirting with him right in front of me. He also does work for plenty of divorced women who think he is wonderful. One even said that they were like man & wife because of the things they talk about. This could all be in my head. Other than that, I love him dearly & I am sure he does me, but I cannot trust him. I have bought the subject up many times, always to get the same answer. I am nearly 60 now & he is a wonderful grandad to my grandchildren. Maybe its just best to leave things as they are