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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Mair Sun 05-Feb-17 17:03:17

Apparently the Sun is now trying to blame it on the Spanish for keeping all the veg for their own supermarkets.

They probably are Jess and who can blame them?

In times of food shortage countries will usually put their own people first (though Stalin exported grain from Soviet Russia even through the famine in the 30s).

This is why food security is so important and why allowing our self sufficiency ratio to fall due to voluntarily over populating
our country by tolerating unwanted immigration is such madness .

We should be reducing our population not increasing it!

Penstemmon Sun 05-Feb-17 17:03:07

Oh! not sure what happened to my post??

Penstemmon Sun 05-Feb-17 17:02:20

Mair I understand that you are saying UK should invest heavily in education and training for people already living in UK so that we have a 'home grown' qualified workforce. You are also saying that there are sufficient people already living in UK who wantfor that training to take place? to train but cannot because they are no training places.

What are we to do in the interim when waiting for a government to decide to fund education/training and for all the keen trainees to qualify?

whitewave Sun 05-Feb-17 16:59:00

I hope not - as hell will freeze over before my posts are any different.

JessM Sun 05-Feb-17 16:58:40

Never met a courgette until I was 18.

Mair Sun 05-Feb-17 16:56:45

Whitewave

Yet another pointless bilious post from you randomly attacking me!

Am I surprised?

durhamjen Sun 05-Feb-17 16:51:45

Jess, do you think Spain should stop all those British farmers going over there and using their weather to grow all those vegetables that we eat.
Apparently we import 50% of veg and 90% of fruit.

Had a very nice meal yesterday at my son's house, all root veg, exactly what we should be eating in this country at this time of year. Let them eat roots!

durhamjen Sun 05-Feb-17 16:48:30

Most other countries do what?
Stop immigration?
What hysterical rubbish.

Saudi Arabia has nearly a third of its population from other countries. Perhaps the British should stop going there and taking their jobs.
80% in United Arab Emirates. Obviously after the oil. Perhaps they should keep foreigners out.
11% in UK. 80 countries have more immigrants than we do.

whitewave Sun 05-Feb-17 16:42:51

mair on a few occasions now you have put up your usual twaddle and accused me of saying something when in fact it was someone else.

Do get a grip.

JessM Sun 05-Feb-17 16:36:58

OH dear there I was thinking that vegetable rationing was a welcome break from the hate filled vitriol peddled by certain tabloids. Apparently the Sun is now trying to blame it on the Spanish for keeping all the veg for their own supermarkets.
Those darn foreigners are obviously to blame for their own bad weather.

durhamjen Sun 05-Feb-17 01:10:08

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/meet-roza-salih-inspiring-woman-hoping-become-scotlands-first-elected-asylum-seeker/

I hope she gets elected.

durhamjen Sun 05-Feb-17 00:31:15

Surplus doctors? There's a thought. One in ten GP practices is short of GPs. One in ten CCGs has a shortage of doctors.

Fortunately in the North East they realise that and are training healthcare professional refugees to work in our hospitals.

www.nhsemployers.org/Aboutus/Publications/Documents/Reaping_the_rewards-Briefing_64.pdf

Mair Sun 05-Feb-17 00:25:32

DJ

That is such hysterical stuff! nobody is talkign about suddenly throwing out all the immigrants!

We have become dependent on immigrants and its WRONG.
Lets put an end to it!
It will be a slow job but lets make a start on reversing this mess and training our young British people (and older people thrown on the scrapheap)to do all our jobs!

Most other countries do it and so can we.

Mair Sun 05-Feb-17 00:20:43

Lordy Welsh there are many many other graduate jobs which doctors would certainly be able to go in for, just as other graduates often work in areas not directly using their training. Some doctors for example train as lawyers and specialise in medical negligence. Of course any doctor could become a science teacher or lecturer in areas allied to medicine, they can go into research, nhs management, the pharma industry, writing mdical literature - so many things! Some would go abroad for a year or two (they do anyway) and come back with valuable experience.

If we want even the unpopular posts filled then a surplus is the way!

We have always produced surplus nurses but the issue there is that many leave the profession.

durhamjen Sun 05-Feb-17 00:15:32

1daywithoutus.org/

Welshwife Sat 04-Feb-17 23:26:34

Mair what would UK's do with surplus doctors ? Get them to fill racks in supermarkets? It costs so much to train a doctor that they do not intentionally train a surplus.

Welshwife Sat 04-Feb-17 23:24:17

However EU nurses and doctors do know what is going on in UK and a number have already said how they will not now move to UK as it is becoming clear that if they met someone and married they would not be allowed to remain permanently - this also now happens to other nationalities even if they are married to a British person.
Other posts I have seen have been from British partners of NHs workers who are also qualified workers and as a couple they have decided to move abroad. If this trend gains numbers then UK will need to recruit a lot more workers to fill the gaps.

Mair Sat 04-Feb-17 23:01:54

WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS AND NURSES NOW. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM ALL TO BE TRAINED!

Do you have to SHOUT DJ?

Yes there is a short term problem, for which we need short term solutions, fixed term contracts, tying skilled immigrants into the hard to fill roles they were recruited to fill.

Ill tell you what happened at a hospital not very far from me:
They struggle to recruit, it is a not very popular town with a low graduate population and a moderate level of a few social problems.
So off they went to Spain where they recruited a dozen nurses. Within 18 months ALL the Spanish nurses had left to live in a nearby city or London.

Free movement is NOT a good solution for filling unpopular and less desirable posts!

Its the same with GPs its not desirable towns and commuter villages that cannot get GPs; its the run down industrial areas, dull remote towns and unattractive villages.
The only way to keep GPs working in such places is to produce a surplus, so they are not in the happy position of being able to cherry pick. Importing them can only be a sticking plaster solution, and a poor one at that.

Mair Sat 04-Feb-17 22:49:25

Mair, can you explain why nursing is on the list of shortage jobs, for immigrants if there are so many British queuing up for the jobs?

Oh dear me DJ. I have told you we do not have eenough British people who are qualified to do the jobs, but there isnt a shortage of people eager to train.

Mair Sat 04-Feb-17 22:47:06

Can you be accused of racism when you are referring to a group of people which could include yourself , a large group,of older British people

You most certainly can, and WW does not include herself in the group she scorns and refuses to see as individual people.

If, let us say, a GNetter, was to set up a vile sexist stereotype about a group of young women, such as students, or single mothers then youre surely not suggesting her comment couldnt possibly be 'sexist'.

Hate and bile can be directed against a group you are racially part of but perceive as "others". When that group is predicated on it's 'race' then it is 'racism' whether you are the same race or not

durhamjen Sat 04-Feb-17 22:44:32

Very moving, Jess.

Mair, can you explain why nursing is on the list of shortage jobs, for immigrants if there are so many British queuing up for the jobs?
WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS AND NURSES NOW. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM ALL TO BE TRAINED!

IT'S A SHAME YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT!

JessM Sat 04-Feb-17 22:23:08

This is a poem written by a man who has spent a lot of time trying to help refugees.

She Would Like to Speak with You

* * *

What is it like to be a refugee?

Start with someone who is a librarian, a nurse, a teacher, a journalist.
Someone who is also a mother, a wife, her mother's daughter.
Someone who has brought life into the world, one, two, three times.
Someone who never raised her hand against anyone,
Certainly never with a knife, never with a gun. Never with a bomb.

Fire artillery shells at her apartment building,
Shoot her brother with a sniper's bullet,
Turn her daughter's school into a prison where her uncle was tortured in the gym.
Take away her home, her job, her beloved cat, her family pictures,
As you toss her into the back of a neighbor's pick-up truck
In the middle of the night,
So that she can ride in the dust
With her husband and children
Toward a border which she already knows is closed.

Let her watch the last of her family's money flow into the hands of smugglers.
Let her share the last of her family's food with strangers who have none.
Let her wonder why the nations who have so much money for the endless war
Are strangely absent while she sleeps on concrete, in mud, beside railroad tracks,
In the rain.

Let her know the parched heat of a desert.
Let her know the cold wet wind blowing across the sea,
Let her know the choppy black waves slapping at the sides of her little boat,
The wail of a terrified child,
As she crosses the Aegean at night
From hell to hopefully some lesser hell.

Let a stranger in a wetsuit carry her child to the rocky shore.
Let her lose her woolen scarf as she takes from a stranger's hands
A dry sweater, a dry coat.

Let her be taken with her family by bus to a nice safe camp where they can
Eat and sleep and meet briefly with a doctor,
Before another bus takes them across the island to a "registration center"
Which is a prison without enough beds.
So they sleep outside on concrete again,
Inside a fence with barbed wire,
Under the same stars that once shone over her home . . .
Her home.

What is it like to be a refugee?
She would like to speak with you, so that she could say,
"Once I was a person too."

* * * * *

John Slade

Lesvos
March, 2016

JessM Sat 04-Feb-17 21:32:40

LOL

whitewave Sat 04-Feb-17 21:00:47

grin

MawBroon Sat 04-Feb-17 20:54:42

Snort grin hmmconfused
Can you be accused of racism when you are referring to a group of people which could include yourself "a large group,of older British people"
Please don't bother to answer that, it was purely rhetorical

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