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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:57:17

Do you know different MawBroon about plumbers?

MawBroon Wed 15-Feb-17 20:55:48

Plumbers can do somethings without certificates I think, but not things like if it involves hot water. I could have that a bit wrong though

Is this the Ladybird guide to Polish plumbers?
Ana I agree, you couldn't make it up.

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:55:38

For starters the first link is for america

MawBroon Wed 15-Feb-17 20:54:04

"27 May 2016 - The decrease in emigration has been driven by a fall in the number of British citizens emigrating (down 14,000; not statistically significant). Net migration of EU citizens was estimated to be 184,000 (compared with 174,000 in YE December 2014; change not statistically significant)."

Just for starters
www.dhs.gov > data-statistics
www.migrationwatch.org
www.ons.gov.uk
Immigration statistics April to June 2016 /July to September

The list goes on and on.

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:51:09

I dont know what you mean Ana, but I will take the compliment! grin

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:49:22

I am trying to think how someone would deal with life in the UK without a NI number.
Work could be relatively easy. One of our local Chine places keeps getting shut down as he regularly employs relatives who are illegal.

You dont have to show a NI at A&E. Is that why A&E's are so busy?
A GP[at least ours] is quite hot on paperwork, so not as easy to get seen there if you are an illegal immigrant I would have thought.

Ana Wed 15-Feb-17 20:48:17

gringringrin

I know I said I'd leave you to it, but you really are priceless, Ankers!

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 20:48:03

Mass immigration = cheap labour. The affluent love it.

That's what it boils down to.

Not no more though smile

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:45:45

Plumbers can do somethings without certificates I think, but not things like if it involves hot water. I could have that a bit wrong though.

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:44:46

Electricians definitely need certificates.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 20:43:43

There are too many "legal" ones too. Ive never know so many "builders" in my life. They aren't plumbers or electricians though, very strange. Does that need a certificate at the end of the works or not smile

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:42:33

There are no statistics. Except on people who drown.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 20:41:55

Don't people really see things? What's with the "figures" and beasting others. The proof is in the pudding. We are at combustible limits in all things, or are you just choosing to be oblivious?

How mad is that.

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:41:16

So the opinion is that there are not enough immigrants who want to work?

But there is nothing to say that there are lots here[no government statistics, but hospitals full, schools full, housing full etc] that cannot work because they do not have a NI number.

So it may be safe to assume that many many immigrants are here, but they are illegal, and therefore cannot work legally. So if they are in work, they are doing so illegally.

MawBroon Wed 15-Feb-17 20:36:47

You have to make the effort to research immigration figures too Ankers and not expect it on a plate. How many websites have you consulted, including government ones?
And why have you not even bothered to read all through just this one thread?
It is easy to say figures are not available when what you mean is that YOU have not yet found what you want to know. Maybe you need to look harder.
And no I have no desire to have the predictable immigration conversation either.
Like juggling jellies and not for the first time.

Welshwife Wed 15-Feb-17 20:34:10

Last night there was an item on about a brewery - the cost of the ingredients he has to import has gone up by 30% but as yet the company gas not increased the prices at the pump but have taken a hit on their profits.

I heard a manufacturer on the news this morning saying he could not get enough qualified staff - just not enough with the qualifications in UK and he could not get enough immigrants to come either.

Next week many immigrant workers are taking the day off - 20th I think- so people can see where they do work and some of the important jobs they do.

Ana Wed 15-Feb-17 20:29:43

You've been here long enough to know how the immigration conversation goes. I'll leave you to it, Ankers.

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:28:14

If the government have no statistics, then the people are more than entitled to repeat what they think they see before their very eyes.

I used to not quite believe it, but I think I do now.

It answers a lot of questions.

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:21:36

You tell me what "they" will say?

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:20:37

Ana I dont.

I dont read all of what is posted and certainly havent read all of this thread.

And I await any answer, as I cant see what answer they could possibly have.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 20:19:35

Exactly Ankers. This has obviously come about due to total lack of control over people being genuine refugee status and immigration.

Anyone else saying different are either potty or delusional.

Elegran Wed 15-Feb-17 20:19:08

It is early days yet. We are still operating under old trade agreements. There is no guarantee that prices of imports will remain the same when we make new ones, or that manufacturing costs for things produced here will stay the same - and prices never go down with change, always up. It is one of those mysterious laws of nature.

Time will tell.

Ana Wed 15-Feb-17 20:18:15

You know what the answer will be to that, Ankers (from the majority who post about political matters) so why bother asking?

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:16:31

And why do posters say "we need the immigrants" when actually no one seems to have a clue as to how many are here, least of all the government?

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 20:15:09

Since there are no details about immigration numbers at all, so no clue whether they are working, legally, illegally, claiming benefits or anything else,
why are people effectively told off for saying that the NHS cannot cope with all the immigrants, ditto schools, GP services, housing etc etc?

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