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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Rigby46 Tue 14-Feb-17 22:21:35

I wonder why the government won't address this issue of homelessness? Oh wait a minute, because they don't give a s*

Rigby46 Tue 14-Feb-17 22:22:07

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JessM Tue 14-Feb-17 22:25:51

But we can afford Trident. And it suits the wealthy political elite in the Tory party for ordinary people to bicker about which of the vulnerable are more or less deserving.

durhamjen Tue 14-Feb-17 22:40:30

How do you know, grannypiper, that Lily Allen and Gary Lineker haven't uttered a single word about our homeless children?

grannypiper Wed 15-Feb-17 09:01:56

check their twitter feed, both like most "selebs" only want to be current they dont march on parliment in regard to our homeless children When was the last time you saw Allen crying beside a homeless British child ? Never.Please dont tell me she does most of her charity work in private, she puts everything she does on social media and will jump on only the most newsworthy bandwagon, like most of the people who marched through our towns and cities against Trump, Brexit and the child migrants. Ask them how many children are homeless in our country and you will get a blank eyed stare or a stuttered well i dont know. If people cant care about, shout or march about our children but can about migrant children then i question their motives

Welshwife Wed 15-Feb-17 09:59:25

Are there any British children alone in a foreign country not speaking the language? If so I have completely missed that bit of info. That is the difference - if the child has an adult - it is bad and needs addressing the homeless situation in Britain but some of these children in refugee camps have relations in UK willing to have them. I think the problem may well be making sure the adult relatives are true relatives and not in some way people traffickers.

Rigby46 Wed 15-Feb-17 10:54:13

grannypiper I don't see the point of hi- jacking this discussion into what 'celebs' do or don't do - what are you trying to say?

grannypiper Wed 15-Feb-17 14:29:38

I am not trying to say anything. We have children her who need a home and if we cant house them then we should not be adding to the problem. The children in France have never set foot in the U.K and France are responsible for them, any that do have relatives here in the U.k ( not just "uncles") should be allowed to come here and join their families.

MawBroon Wed 15-Feb-17 15:23:48

Then can we quietly shelve what Gary Lineker or Lily Allen may or may not have to say and stay with the topic?

JessM Wed 15-Feb-17 16:16:57

Talking as if there was a fixed pot of money that refugees could potentially use up, to the detriment of UK homeless is based on a false assumption. The chancellor can find money for things like this: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/philip-hammond-spends-76m-repair-9318627
£76millon for restoring a randomly selected decaying mansion (except we can safely assume that someone influential had Hammond's ear on this one).
You could build several hundred houses for those in need.
The government are choosing to impose austerity on poor people in the UK. It is a deliberate ploy to "reduce the size of the state". In other words "reduce the tax burden on the rich".
Things are going to get worse for poorer people because due to the drop in the value of the pound, the basic cost of living is going to rise by up to 10% if you are poor. But blaming immigrants or asylum seekers for austerity and poverty makes no sense at all.

grannypiper Wed 15-Feb-17 16:52:48

Who blamed immigrants for austerity ?

JessM Wed 15-Feb-17 18:01:57

You do hear it grannypiper - " e.g. I can't get a house from the council because of the immigrants" "Problems with the NHS caused by too many immigrants needing treatments" etc etc. Even on this enlightened forum, not too hard to find.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 19:00:07

That's because there is truth in it JessM

Ankers Wed 15-Feb-17 19:10:14

Governments are not upfront about details regarding immigration.

For instance I wanted to read reliable numbers around this subject.

There do not seem to be any.

I think this is part of the reason why UKIP and others are getting a foothold.

If people are not told things, they guess, and go by what they see or think they see.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 19:13:46

No one knows, all normal folk know is that its too many. Unless of course it serves your purpose. That's not including the many many thousands of illegal immigrants. Doesn't take much to understand that things have become out of control does it.

Denial is a very strange animal isn't it.

durhamjen Wed 15-Feb-17 19:18:48

These figures for Country of Birth for the residents of Stoke-on-Trent are from the UK Census of 2011. Since Stoke-on-Trent has a higher level of residents born in the UK than the national average and a lower rate of residents either born in other EU countries or outside the EU, it does not have a significant immigrant population.
Country Stoke-on-TrentEngland
United Kingdom 91.7%86.2%
Rebublic of Ireland0.2%0.7%
Other EU Countries1.9%3.7%
Outside the EU 6.2%9.4%

Some figures for Stoke, but they only give them from the 2011 census.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a 2021 census, as Osborne wanted to cancel it.
It does make you wonder why Stoke is particularly bothered about immigration.

whitewave Wed 15-Feb-17 19:20:00

ankers the government hasn't a clue. That's why it's called free movement. They should have a better idea from the rest of the world, but they really don't. May never got to grips with it at all, for which she has been criticised. That's why she is making such a big deal over Brexit, because she is miffed at the criticism. She is offering the Brexit vote as an excuse , but it is an alternative fact. The trouble is she is doing so regardless of the economic implication.

Jalima Wed 15-Feb-17 19:20:09

Osborne's gone, let's hope there is a census - for the sake of genealogists at least!!

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 19:29:52

Economic implications? From Bexit? umm, I think most people are now realising that the EU has had it's day. Thank god!

Welshwife Wed 15-Feb-17 19:39:37

Ooooh really??!!!!!

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 19:41:53

Yes really! Im working class and i haven't seen any and to be honest i couldn't give a toss if its affected the upper class overflowing bank balances.

Welshwife Wed 15-Feb-17 19:59:27

I would consider myself working class as I needed to work all my life. No silver spoon - but I still like Europe.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 20:00:50

I like Europe too Welsh. Doesn't mean don't want the bureaucratic EU to be disbanded.

Elegran Wed 15-Feb-17 20:02:03

If it affected prices in the supermarket, travel costs, rents, prices of clothes, shoes and household goods, would you give a toss then? Economic implications tend to hit more than just overflowing bank balances.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 15-Feb-17 20:04:48

How strange that I haven't seen anything going "up". This is hearsay Elegran. The same way everything else has been.

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