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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 17:26:53

Tricia did you see a report the last day or so about the attacks and rapes of women and children in the Dunkirk camp going on now? Seems the volunteers are giving out a lot of adult nappies as women in particular are frightened to go to the toilets during the night. It sounds dreadful - info was from a long term volunteer there. Seems there are 100 children there and they were never considered for allowing into UK.

TriciaF Sun 12-Feb-17 16:48:30

As Welshwife says - according to our local paper some of the refugees sent here (SW France) from Calais didn't want to stay, because they could speak/understand english, but not french.
Mostly male late-teenagers, they disappeared back to Calais.

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 14:53:16

The is now 16 I think she said.

Jalima Sun 12-Feb-17 14:19:04

I just hope he is being cared for and not fending for himself, I suppose it depends on his age.

JessM Sun 12-Feb-17 14:16:31

In some African countries English is the language spoken in schools I believe.
Just like in India - above a certain level of education people will have done their degrees etc through medium of English (not sure from what age)
In several EU countries some degree courses are taught through English.
So English can be the language in which people are literate, even if they speak a local dialect as well.

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 14:09:14

No this was I believe a boy of African descent who is now somewhere in southern France - moved from the camp as Calais - he had hopes of being allowed into UK s he has lost all his family but realises this is now most unlikely. I think the woman volunteer us too experienced not to know what is going on - she was being interviewed by Sky News. I was surprised that Eng was the first language but she would have known if that was not the case. I will see if I can find the bit again and reread.

Rigby46 Sun 12-Feb-17 13:54:14

I wondered if tge friend really meant that English was their 'first' language in the sense of their first foreign language. That seems a possible explanation. But either way the fact they spoke it makes sense of their wish to come to the UK

JessM Sun 12-Feb-17 13:26:40

Somewhere in Africa maybe?

Jalima Sun 12-Feb-17 12:19:54

Modern Standard Arabic is the language of education but there are many different dialects and in fact languages spoken.
English and French may have been taught and spoken as a second language but I would not have thought as a first language.
It is puzzling, I wonder who these children are and where are their English speaking parents, what has happened to them?

Rinouchka Sun 12-Feb-17 12:05:06

Yes, Jalima, I was perplexed by the "English as a first language" comment by *Welshwife". And the implication is disturbing.

mcem Sun 12-Feb-17 11:47:36

19.02.04
And that's all it needs to lead into full-scale chapter and verse.
I'm off now before it goes there!

Jalima Sun 12-Feb-17 11:46:04

Just a comment and in no way a reflection of my views on the crisis - but I am surprised to hear that the children your friend is supporting have English as their first language Welshwife

whitewave Sun 12-Feb-17 11:44:42

What biblical references?

mcem Sun 12-Feb-17 11:42:56

When these biblical references kick in it's time to bale out!

whitewave Sun 12-Feb-17 10:41:19

Oh dear

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 10:34:41

It is not 6 million.

There is no end to their number. Literally.

whitewave Sun 12-Feb-17 10:24:19

I'm not aware that was said in the 1930s - We could have said" 6 million how dreadful"

But we didn't. We showed humanity and love.

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 10:06:03

would take a percentage according to their current population, or their GDP etc.

But there is no end to their number.

Back to moon

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 10:03:29

exactly] would take a percentage of say their current population, or their GDP etc.

But there is no end to their number.

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 10:02:04

I have hung back from commenting on the refugee crisis.

The main problem as I see it about this refugee crisis compared to any other[in history?] is that there is no end to the numbers.

Previously I had thought of tow options. The first one being, since Germany was the country who actually wanted and needs is it 1 million young people, pressure should be put on them to take probably more than 1 million now.

But there is no end to the number.

Then I thought of how things were dealt with in the bible sometimes, and that was to deal in percentages.
So each country[not sure if that would include the whole world, half the world, Europe or which countries exactly].

But there is no end to the number.

whitewave Sun 12-Feb-17 09:17:21

Rowan! This bloomin' I-pad

whitewave Sun 12-Feb-17 09:16:37

Roman Williams wrote a good piece this morning talking about the British Christian way. He then went on to describe how we took in 10000 Jewish children including Lord Dub.

I so wish this spirit would pervade the government. Where is the Christianity?

How civilised this and other threads are now - such a relief!

Rinouchka Sun 12-Feb-17 09:01:02

I will join you in your optimism, Maw.

MawBroon Sun 12-Feb-17 08:57:07

Am I being optimistic if I say I hope this thread is going to be less contentious than it has been?

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 08:50:01

I watched a clip this morning which was from a Sky news report - English woman who has been helping in Calais for a year. She was describing going out and finding youngsters at night and feeding them and handing out warm clothing. She said that some children have English as their first language which is why they want to get to UK.
I also saw a news report early this morning that Global warming will cause another 300milliom refugees by 2050.

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