Remembrance Sunday

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It’s nothing to do with Royals it’s to do with representing Scotland at the Cenotaph .What young man? Is Flynn really young?

Strange thing to be offended at….I am much more offended by the king,his son and his ssister wearing fancy dress uniforms of a rank they NEVER ATTAINED the two men did minimal serviceable and left as junior officers and even that was due to their birth…and Anne well she never served at all yet like her brother and nephew she is adorned/ plastered with medals
What an insult to the people who fought for their country to earn a medal and the dead ….who never came home.They weren’t given the option of fancy dress and a chest full of medals!! Yet you find a young man not singing a problem. I think the problem is the mindset of many on here that Royals are some kind of gods who must be worshipped whatever they do ,including adultery,sex abuse ,and scamming charities.
I,m glad my moral standards are much higher than that!!

ginny you are a private person not the leader of a political party representing everyone in Scotland.See the difference?

I attended the local Rememberance service.
I did not sing or say the prayers.
I was there to honour the men and women who served and or gave their lives not a God who I don’t believe in.
I don’t see anything disrespectful in that.

Thanks RosiesMaw for the poem. Enough said

OldFrill

It's not often. I'm on the side of the SNP but the so called Christian sisterhood on this thread is vile. Christianity does not own Remembrance. Nearly half of Scotland wants independence and the way some are demanding they sing hymns and GSTK it's no wonder. How DARE anyone demand that someone compromise their principles, be hypocritical and sing songs because it confirms to their narrow minded religions view. That's Christianity is it? No wonder congregations are waning and the churches are being converted into housing (actually one near here is being converted into a mosque).
Last year and this year Stephen Flynn has been heavily criticised for standing by his principles. Show done human decency, it's Remembrance not bitchfest.
Some remarks made to me on here are incredibly incredibly hurtful.

Oh dear, hurt feelings?
I expect the other half of Scotland that doesn’t want independence may be feeling that way too.
Christian sisterhood, what are you on about? He damn well should be heavily criticised for attending but not joining in as a leader representing Scotland.Next time send somebody else.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

Lovetopaint037

I saw SF and couldn’t believe what Iwas seeing. There he stood representing the proud Scottish nation known for their bravery in military conflict and yet making it obvious he had no intention of joining in the hymns. Where was his respect for the countless Scots fallen or maimed for life who fought on our behalf. It wasn’t about him but he made it so. By the way I am not Scottish.

You're obviously not Scottish.
He was respectful and attentive. He just didn't sing. Respecting the dead is not about singing.
I'll be voting independence next, never felt so damned patronised. Oh and I'm British but feeling very embarrassed to be reading this thread.
I'll get back to sleep.

It's not often. I'm on the side of the SNP but the so called Christian sisterhood on this thread is vile. Christianity does not own Remembrance. Nearly half of Scotland wants independence and the way some are demanding they sing hymns and GSTK it's no wonder. How DARE anyone demand that someone compromise their principles, be hypocritical and sing songs because it confirms to their narrow minded religions view. That's Christianity is it? No wonder congregations are waning and the churches are being converted into housing (actually one near here is being converted into a mosque).
Last year and this year Stephen Flynn has been heavily criticised for standing by his principles. Show done human decency, it's Remembrance not bitchfest.
Some remarks made to me on here are incredibly incredibly hurtful.

Freya5

OldFrill

Yes, Stephen Flynn. If people can be bothered criticising they could at least check out who the actual person is. I don't see how he looks disrespectful, he's dressed appropriately and looking attentive, he's hardly going to look happy on such an occasion. Last year there was huge criticism that he'd held the wreath upside down (he hadn't).
Like MissI, I don't know why anyone should be compelled to sing.

You think those soldiers of old would have stood there with their with mouths shut, not singing the hyms, not saying the prayers. The act of remembrance has always been a religious ceremony.

Christians do NOT have a monopoly on Remberence.
From the British Legion - rembrance is not religious
"The Act of Remembrance is brief and non-religious, making it exceptionally well-suited to personalised commemorations. You may assemble whatever readings, music or other elements you wish to accompany the Act of Remembrance in order to make your own ceremony or event relevant to your particular community."
www.britishlegion.org.uk › ...
Your Act of Remembrance - The Royal British Legion.

My Uncle a very religious man, died aged 23, he was in the RAF, he didn't know any hymns, he didn't know much about Christianity but the air force were happy to have him.

Ive attended Christian services although I am not a believer.It would not have been appropriate for me to cross myself, kneel, or participate. I sat at the back of the church out of the way. Ive also visited mosques in several countries. I did not kneel down and knock my head on the floor. I did however remove my shoes and cover my head.

Im sure that the creator whatever form he, she, it or they take would not give it any mind.

Dont sweat the small stuff.

I saw SF and couldn’t believe what Iwas seeing. There he stood representing the proud Scottish nation known for their bravery in military conflict and yet making it obvious he had no intention of joining in the hymns. Where was his respect for the countless Scots fallen or maimed for life who fought on our behalf. It wasn’t about him but he made it so. By the way I am not Scottish.

Something to think about

At The Cenotaph
I saw the Prince of Darkness, with his Staff,
Standing bare-headed by the Cenotaph:
Unostentatious and respectful, there
He stood, and offered up the following prayer.
'Make them forget, O Lord, what this Memorial
Means; their discredited ideas revive;
Breed new belief that War is purgatorial
Proof of the pride and power of being alive;
Men's biologic urge to readjust
The Map of Europe, Lord of Hosts, increase;
Lift up their hearts in large destructive lust;
And crown their heads with blind vindictive Peace.'
The Prince of Darkness to the Cenotaph
Bowed. As he walked away I heard him laugh.

Siegfried Sassoon

They will attend of course.

It's about respect for each other.

MissInterpreted

Anniebach

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

The service of remembrance is surely for those of all faiths, is it not? What about all those who served who are or were not Christians? Do they not matter? That's hardly a very Christian attitude!

There were representatives from all faiths attending the service and those with no faith presumably but the officials i.e. the leaders of all the UK political parties should and did, apart from SF sing and join in.

Quote ginny Sun 10-Nov-24 20:49:44
Anniebach

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

I would image that if non Christian’s were not supposed to attend then a very large percentage of those marching and having given their service would not be there.
What a dreadful thing to suggest!

Apologies, it was a question

I tried to lighten this discussion but as you are determined that you are right, I will leave it there.

Anniebach

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

I would image that if non Christian’s were not supposed to attend then a very large percentage of those marching and having given their service would not be there.
What a dreadful thing to suggest!

Yes, they do matter, of course. To suggest otherwise is provocative.

This is what the Royal British Legion has to say on the subject:
"The Act of Remembrance is brief and non-religious, making it exceptionally well-suited to personalised commemorations. You may assemble whatever readings, music or other elements you wish to accompany the Act of Remembrance in order to make your own ceremony or event relevant to your particular community.
RBL doesn't prescribe what these should be but services should be inclusive of all members of the community."

Anniebach

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

The service of remembrance is surely for those of all faiths, is it not? What about all those who served who are or were not Christians? Do they not matter? That's hardly a very Christian attitude!

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

Allira is completely right, it doesn’t matter what GN posters do at remembrance services, but it absolutely does matter that Stephen Flynn, representing the SNP Party and Scottish people joins in with singing and prayers. All eyes were on the Royals and the politicians at the Cenotaph and nothing goes unnoticed these days.It was disrespectful at best.His early life and health and so on doesn’t come into this.Scotland is part of the United Kingdom.

It is here.
Followed by Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau
They have to get their priorities right just across the border!
I sang both (the latter phonetically).

Yes, I was at our local service of remembrance, as I am every year. No, I did not sing the hymns nor take part in the prayers - GSTK is never sung at our local service, as I already stated earlier in this thread.