Can anyone take The Daily Mail seriously?

P.S I have been thinking of you ruislipnan, I hope you have found a solution to your problem!.

Hello Petallus,

Blimey that sounds much more enticing. I'm off now with my D.M., as I don't think I will be very busy.

You can just Google i online, jacey.

Carol can you give me tha site for the free "i" on-line please?

ah lots of us miss it. a tragedy, its demise. I stand corrected Carol. They all lie and distort.

Spare Rib was good. (I got my name in there for campaigning to use Ms.)

But the name bothered people - I asked for it in a Dundee stationers and was asked 'Is that a knitting magazine?'.......

oops! meanr

Gmajen: do sometimes get the I.. agree good value & good read.

Petallus: Spare Rib..takes me back but it was good..will investigate to see if still going..but fear not (sad)

He/she was certainly correct in 17c with the "madam' being called an abbess!

Hello POGS, I've been meaning to mention the nunnery. A know-all learned friend of mine assures me that in Shakespeare's day 'nunnery' was a euphemism for house of ill repute (so Hamlet was telling Ophelia she was no better than she should be and belonged in a brothel).

So it wouldn't be boring but I'm sorry I told you to get thee there. Don't go!

You can get most of the 'I' online for free Gmajen.

I used to read Spare Rib years ago. I trusted that but don't suppose it is around any more.

Wow -sisters, do none of you read the I ? At 20p it is a great little tabloid which filled a big gap in the market for a small intelligent inexpensive daily paper.

Thanks lymnaea, I probably do!. Having said that neither would float my boat.

umm POGS do you mean North Korea?

Keeping fit is good for you, jeni! (Sorry Greatnan )

I have liked PE on the few times I've tried it!

Hello Petallus. I tried the nunnery, very boring I would rather be talking to you. Hope you feel the same even if we do disagree on some issues.

I must say I find all the comments refreshing, to have the diversity of opinions shows exactly why we all read different papers. Would'nt life be tedious if we all had to think the same, act the same, vote the same. We would be in North Vietnam and by crikey that's more boring than the nunnery. Let's celebrate our freedom to read what we choose for goodness sake.

Anagram - I did not mean to disparage your post, just to put a few facts into the pot for anyone who does not follow PE!
I wish I did have shares but my admiration is based solely on the courageous way PE tackles corruption and greed.
(And I apologise to Hislop for sometimes calling him an old-Etonian - he went to Ardingley College)

I think Greatnan has shares in Private Eye!

OK, sorry I mentioned it....

Carter Ruck have also represented the State of Qatar, The church of Scientology, and Trafigura and have been instrumental in obtaining gagging orders against many whistle blowers under the threat of libel actions.
Private Eye lost a case against Robert Maxwell, and was later proved to have been quite right about his defrauding of pension funds.
Just because somebody wins a libel case, it doesn't mean the accusations against them was not true.

Pivate Eye lost a case brought by Sonia Sutcliffe, wife of Peter Sutcliffe and it was later proved that she had lied. That was when Ian Hislop made his famous remark 'If this is justice, I'm a banana'. I am told that the word 'banana' is sometimes whispered in courts where there is an ovbious miscarriage of justice.They have also successfully defended many libel cases, especially those brought by their favourite solicitors 'Carter Fuck'!
They are now very careful to be sure of their facts because they

simply cannot afford to lose any cases. I, for one, would happily contribute to any fund set up for their defence!

I don't carry a torch for any other publication, except my obvious choices like The Huffington Post and Atheism News, and I agree that most journalists these days (as we have seen) will sink to any depths to get a story.

Even Private Eye has lost several libel cases brought against it.