Killer dogs and irresponsible child carers

just seen the clip on TV news of the policemen being attacked by a dog, horrific..then the shooting of the dog in the street because the owner failed to call the dog off! Suspect he could not have done even if he wanted to.

You guessed it! - Aylsham.

NfkDumpling agree with you the dog should have been put down my sons ex and her family would not hear of it,it was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak and hastened the end of their marriage, my views were made known to them but from 150 miles away we are not likely to have any contact,my son is here with us in norfolk ,I hope the family supporting ex DIL know what they are doing and if the dog ,and it will bites again it will be those most blinkered to the danger......does NFK stand for Norfolk BTW ....

But humans also have to take responsibility for in-breeding dogs to be vicious. Some owners want them that way.

And breeding them to be physiologically unsound: dachsunds who cannot mate without human help;boxers who cannot breathe properly as their faces are so squashed etc. I find it all completely distasteful. I am definitely not a dog-lover, but I get angry when I see dogs with docked tails - I find that unacceptable - so-called dog-lovers manipulating animal's bodies and temperaments.

There is a strong drive to control involved in manipulating animals to the whims of humans. Slightly creepy I feel.

I am not a dog person, having been attacked by an alsation when I was about 2. However, I have to agree that its not the dogs that are at fault here but the owners who get what they consider to be a "hard" dog to enhance their own poor reputation. Perhaps there is case for teaching pet ownership in schools (something I learned when I was a Brownie!)

I had a friend who owned 2 rottweilers and an alsation. They were all well trained and obeyed her at all times, even I felt less apprehensive around them than I did strange dogs I saw in the street. The only time they attacked anyone was when her ex-husband turned up and threatened her - the dogs immediately lept to her defence and the ex made a hasty retreat!

I love dogs and have lived with them most of my life. I was brought up with Staffies, which in my youth were more like pit bulls. When we had our children we had spaniels which are far more user friendly and have softer mouths. However ALL DOGS HAVE TEETH! And since they have no hands they are far more likely to use them. My grandchildren live with their own well adjusted spaniels who know and adore them but they are always kept an eye on and supervised, especially when other children come to play.

My mother, now 88, still lives with the latest in the line of Staffies. It's a sore point with her that her 10 year old Staffie isn't allowed to meet the little ones. She can't understand that her beloved dog, who (she says) wouldn't hurt a fly, leads a very quiet life and doesn't know toddlers and is therefore likely to react unpredictably, isn't allowed near them. Staffies have abnormal jaw muscles so the smallest snap is going to scar. They've also been inbred to have short noses, so the soft pallet causes breathing problems, and overheat in warm weather which can make nervy ones short tempered. Too often people buy dogs with no knowledge of what they are taking on.

Littlenellie that dog should be put down. Vicious dogs are rarely happy dogs - and neither are the people who have to live with them.

Sorry I've gone on a bit.

I think dog breeding has changed a lot since the days when we had licences Anno.
Doggy "personalities" have changed for the worst.

Did we have all this trouble with dangerous dogs in the days when we had to have a dog licence? I don't suppose there are any statistics.

Some have a higher average aggression level than other breeds though, mostly those which have been bred selectively for aggression.

Having just re-read the above posts , I started thinking about 'dangerous dogs , .When I was a toddler and a young child my only companion was an Alsation , totally devoted to me and always protective of me --- a very 'dangerous ' breed at the time . Later came the equally 'dangerous ' Rottveiller ,' Pit Bull Terrier ,and now the 'Staffie' . Which , I think , goes to prove that all breeds have one or two 'iffy 'dogs and proves that all dogs should be treated with respect , and maybe owners should go to some kind of behavior classes themselves .Through a lifetime of owning dogs I have only ever had problems with one dog - a corgi !!! . This particular little monster would bite anything and everything in sight . I have never heard the Corgi labelled as a dangerous breed .

Glad you said it and not me, johanna. Orf with 'er 'ed......

crimson , maybe the moral is that just because you are Royalty does not mean that you are intelligent!!??

Princess Anne had to go to court over it so she now has a police record

Princess Anne's bull terrier attacked two children but escaped being put down, but then went on to kill one of the Queens corgis. [not sure what the moral of that is but I'm sure there's one somewhere; probably that a dog that shows aggressive behaviour once will continue to do so].

I knew that was ambiguous as soon as I'd posted it!

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And the dogs don't look too wholesome either, Anagram

No, I don't, Johanna! The photos they tend to use in the press are of a vicious, snarling example of the breed in question.

When looking at photo's in the press, do you not think that these dangerous dogs look a lot more intelligent than their owners.!?
Which may be very much the crux of the matter.
These are people who are as thick as two planks who take on a being of a much higher intelligence.
The owners do not seem to have a clue.
Bad breeding, or in breeding does not come into it in this case I don't think.
I mean dog wise....

It is not always the parents fault when a child wanders. Even with the most caring watchful parents, children will suddenly slip under the radar. I can still remember my son going missing in seconds in a market. He was nearly two and I was heavily pregnant. I leaned over to pay for my shopping -- and he was gone! We found him a minute or two later, but it felt forever. He had slipped under the grass fabric draping the front of the stall, worked his way under the stall and out at the end - and then headed towards the road, presumably to watch the cars. I nearly had a premature birth!!

Of course there are careless indifferent parents but not every child who ends in a situation like this was badly supervised. The attack happened within a minute or two of the child lslipping out of supervision in an immediate neighbours garden.

It sounds as though Switzerland has got it all sewn up - better than having to sew up the victims.

I might move there!

People who own dangerous dogs are never going to consider neighbours are they? If I was living next to a family with a small child I would make sure they were introduced to our dogs. It must be horrible if you live with the knowledge that there are dangerous dogs in the vacinity and you have small children but that must surely mean you take extra precautions? An ordinary gate is not enough to protect a child who is likely to wander.

In respect of the original post - if it is the case I am thinking about the child was in his own garden and someone went out the gate and left it ajar and he wandered out into the next door garden. Yes, perhaps the person looking after him should have been more alert but I can't see how you can watch a child all the time - as far as the carer was concerned he was in a secure garden.

With regard to the dog - as I understand it this dog did attack police when they had cause to visit the property some time before and after the incident it took police with tasers to bring it under control. The dog was obviously dangerous and out of control. I gather the young owner later went on facebook moaning about the fact his dog had been put down and showing no sympathy for the child

But they dont tell the owners about pooper scoopers in Switzerland-the streets of geneva in summer-ugh!

I was fascinated and kept on googling about dog ownership in Switzerland and my admiration grew. Every new dog owner has to take a course in dog handling and each new dog has to be schooled and chipped. There are rules about dogs having human contact, what kinds of leash can be used, etc.
I thought Britain was a good place to be a dog, but obviously Switzerland is much better.
Each canton sets its own laws but they seem pretty similar in their treatment of potentially dangerous dogs.
I am afraid France is not a good place to be a dog, especially a hunting dog. They are often kept in cages outside the village and get scant attention.