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The Inclusive Scouting Award. Calling all scouts and guides.

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Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 13:49:49

I have signed the petition - every little bit helps.

Bags Thu 04-Oct-12 13:29:44

That's what those of us who know what inclusive means wonder too, G! One of the 'slogans' of the Scout Assoc is "scouting for all". They just conveniently 'forget' about all the exceptions confused and really don't like having it pointed out to them. But I do and shall, and so do and will others. They are adapting, as is shown by their reluctant acceptance of diabolical people like me; they just won't do it 'out loud' yet.

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 12:36:00

Where does the inclusivity come in, Bags? They seem to be ruling out an awful lot of people.

Bags Thu 04-Oct-12 12:24:29

I haven't "recited" the scout assoc promise, G, much less actually made such a promise. They've accepted me without my making any promise because I do good scouting activities with the Cubs – because I happen to be a scout without any promises, in fact.

In that quote in the article lies the rub – as if "reciting" a promise is what makes a promise! I might admire Bear Grylls' adventuruousness but not his thinking skills.

My motto on this subject? — Keep stirring.

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 11:04:12

I followed jingle's link and found the information about 'spiritual development' very interesting. You are obviously there under false pretences, Bags!
I have always had my doubts about Baden-Powell - hm, beastliness?

Bags Mon 01-Oct-12 12:31:14

Seems there was a discussion about inclusive scouting at scout HQ in the UK last weekend. They found it 'challenging'. Still, it's a start.

Hi, jessica. Nice to meet another guider/scouter smile

JO4 Mon 01-Oct-12 11:50:52

interesting article

JO4 Mon 01-Oct-12 11:48:39

You'd better tell them that jessica Scout promise

Witchjessica Mon 01-Oct-12 11:41:22

When will the two organisations join forces?
I have been a Guider, District Commisioner and County Senior Section Adviser and now work on a Scout Service Team well their not called that now. During my active Guiding days (once a Guide/Scout always a Guide/Scout) we always camped with a Scout Explorer/Venture unit. I have the pleasure of making aquaintences from both organisations from all over the world and on my travels now I usualy wear a miniture Guide and Scout badge it is amazing how often they are recognized and how useful that can be.
I realy do think that one of the best things the Guide Association did was to make a superb decession when they changed the promise to "my God" from "God" it definatly was a step in the right direction and allowed Guiders to use their common sense.

annodomini Wed 19-Sept-12 10:11:19

I think you're right, feetle, though it's sixty years since I read it. Wasn't sure then what 'beastliness' meant. I was a Brownie, Guide, Guider and, in Kenya, a Ranger Guider. Did a bit of badge testing for a friend's Guide company.

feetlebaum Wed 19-Sept-12 09:44:59

I don't think BP had much, if anything, to say about religion in his Scouting for Boys, did he? Mind you he was a tad censorious about 'beastliness' which always made me laugh.

lucid Tue 18-Sept-12 15:11:57

Back you all the way Bags...as an ex Girl Guide and coming from a family of Scouts and Guides (my paternal grandmother was an original Baden Powell Girl Scout).

annodomini Tue 18-Sept-12 13:20:12

Respect, Bags!

absentgrana Tue 18-Sept-12 13:03:58

Good on you Bags. smile

Bags Tue 18-Sept-12 11:10:56

Have just received my free "inclusive scouting" badges from the USA. I'm going to sew them on my uniform. The badge (or 'patch', as Americans call it) is a small rectangle on a buff background showing two scout neckies (one in rainbow colours) tied in a reef knot. With the badges came some cards. This is what it says on the card:

"The Inclusive Scouting Award is a way to show support for those who are threatened with exclusion from Scouting in the United States because of the current membership policies of the BSA Inc. It also identifies the wearer as an ally – someone who is 'safe' to approach and talk to without fear of being kicked out. By displaying this emblem, you help to create a friendlier and healthier environment for everyone in the Scouting program.

A number of other Scouts and Scouters have asked me why I am taking a stand for Inclusive Scouting when BSA has no problem with me personally. I tell them because it is the right thing to do. If I don't take action in support of my values and beliefs, how can I say I truly believe them? – a Scouting parent and Scouter"

There is also this quote from ^The Legend of the Order of the Arrow^:
"If we would remain a nation, we must stand by one another."

The British (and global) Scout Association is not quite so exclusive in its rules as the BSA. The SA only excludes people without what they regard as religious beliefs. I have been accepted (grudgingly by the people at the top but not be local scouts) because I'm a humanist, even though I've no religious beliefs. shows how silly it is, doesn't it?
The BSA also excludes people who are gay. Quite clearly, this is wrong, and these bigotted views must be challenged.

I challenge them.