Why was it changed indeed? I turned TV on to watch, and thought I'd made a mistake???
Good Morning Tuesday 26th May 2026
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Assuming that most Gransnet followers are at least vaguely aware that some of the BIG multi-nationals that operate in this country pay minimal UK tax, should we boycott them in order to make the point that while what they are doing may be legal, it IS immoral?! Google (don't know how we boycott it), Starbucks (you'll pay more for your cappucino than they pay in tax) and Amazon are all guilty parties.
Personally, I get cold and sweaty just thinking about boycotting Amazon. It is my "go-to" place for almost everything because it is guaranteed to be competitive in pricing, offer free deliver and send me things I cannot easily get elsewhere - and in a timely fashion. BUT the fact that they are making gazillions of dollars/pounds of profit and pay a pittance in tax makes me seethe. John Lewis pointed out that companies like this could drive them out of business because JL does pay the going rate for corporate tax and has no offshore advantages.
If enough of us boycotted Amazon and others, and made clear our reasons why, could we force them to do the right, moral thing?
Why was it changed indeed? I turned TV on to watch, and thought I'd made a mistake???
Sorry, absent, I keep forgetting you say you don't have a sense of humour. You'll just have to skim over my piss-taking and ignore it.
When I woke up this morning, granjura, I decided that I was going to do lots of work on my family tree. However, I checked on Gransnet first, and that was that.
Haven't looked at my family tree.
Been checking up on all the politics instead in the newspapers and on taxresearch.org, etc.
Anyone who thinks we should just leave it up to the politicians, I hope you watched Channel4 Dispatches, about how they have been fleecing us yet again over house rentals and telling us it's all still legal.
How can we really trust them?
Panorama was supposed to be about how to dodge tax. It was about Hillsborough instead. Not that I do not think that that's important, but why was it changed?
Conspiracy theory again.
Oh don't worry - i don't give up easily. But I'll give up on this thread on GN, sadly.
Don't give up yet Granjura.
For those of you who think that boycott's do not work, I did a search for Boycotts.
On Ethical Consumer there is a long list of the changes that boycotts have made. They did actually work for Nestle, Bags. Libbys fruit juices ended its agreement with Nestle because of the babymilk problem. And a spoof ad by Greenpeace got Nestle to change its palm oil suppliers after only 8 weeks campaigning.
Just think about what happened to the fur trade and circuses after animal rights groups boycotted.
Kleenex and Andrex have changed their paper procurement methods because of boycotting. I have always said to everybody who thinks they have done their bit by recycling paper, that there's not much point unless they always buy recycled paper as well. They usually agree and do so.
I am a member of Viva! We boycotted shops and restaurants who sold foie gras and kangaroo meat along with other exotics. We do not see many stores selling foie gras now.
Look at Burma. If it wasn't for boycotts, many more companies, such as airlines and oil companies, insurance companies and clothing companies like Kookai and Cotton Traders, would have carried on trading in Burma.
Look at the stores that have stopped selling bluefin tuna.
Boycotting the sugar traders helped get rid of the slave trade, and boycotting the 1911 census by suffragettes helped women get the vote, that most of us did not use last week.
Will Gransnet HQ be expected to boycott Amazon as well as members? After all, whenever an author is due to come on a live webchat and the free books have run out, we are told they are available from Amazon.
Bags I know this forum has moved on from page 5, but I haven't yet. Sorry, I missed the piss taking – I have told you several times I HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOUR. Please be kind to me. I don't do worrying needlessly, or at least not about multinationals.
What is tax for anyway? They are 'up there' in the sky keeping the sales going and most of the workers will pay income tax because they are the ones using the roads and schools. Have I missed it? Is this one of David Cameron's ideas? Its like David and Goliath. How can he bring these megacompanies to heel unless he really starts to change the laws and close ALL tax loop holes.
That would be a better start for him. He just acts to create head lines in papers and curry favour with the electorate.
I have been with Amazon since it was a little bookstore and am not going leave now.
Didn't take much energy either, I can assure you 
Yankeegran, done 
Hmmm yes - many small and big businesses do. That does not exempt them from paying fair taxes, does it?
It seems Amazon have pointed out that they employ many people in this country and pay rent on many business premises.
For those who wish to register their reason for no longer using Amazon's services, find the "Help" topic in small print at the bottom of most Amazon pages. When the Help page opens, there is a yellow "Contact Us " button on the right hand side. Click this for communication options and let them know how you feel.
To contact your MP (or find out who it is), just do a search on "MP for__________" and contact details will be avaialble. If we want the govt to change the tax laws, we have to let our representatives know how strongly we feel.
Thanks Bags, it is good that we can agree to disagree.
janthea - they won't notice if the boycott remains marginal- they will notice if the boycott is significant. Which is why I am so disappointed by the response.
We are going round and round - so perhaps best to leave this conversation.
I hardly use Starbucks, but I do use Amazon and will continue to do so. These people are avoiding, not evading, tax and until the law changes, nothing else will change.
I really don't think some people boycotting these companies will make an iota of difference. Their sales are huge and they won't even notice.
At least we agree that we disagree 
I won't be inconvenienced whether I do anything or not, jura, since I have hardly used Amazon or starbucks. That isn't really my point. You believe that a boycotts will make a difference; I don't. Witness the Nestlé case, and no doubt others. What I believe is that national governments acting together to improve the fairness of tax laws might, eventually, make a difference. On a personal level, I don't believe there's much I can do. Anyone who believes otherwise can do what they think right of course. I used to think the same way as you do but experience (plus, perhaps, the cynicism of age) has changed my mind.
And that is where we disagree Bags- we can do something, with a massive boycott of those companies, and if enough of us do it, it will make an impact I am very sure- and as said before, it wouldn't have to be for very long. So little inconvenience, and how can it possibly take any energy???
But don't let me digress from the boycotting lobby group.
Anyway, I contend that worrying needlessly does use energy.
I'm taking the piss, absent!
Bags It doesn't take any energy not to shop at Amazon or not to buy Nestlé products.

Get off, Bags - I lay claim to bad jokes!
They're both odious, jura. Doesn't mean we can do anything about weither of them, or any other equally odious tax evasion practices. I'd rather expend my energy doing something actually useful.
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