ONE BILLION RISING. Will you give your support to women across the planet on 14 February?

Jess that's a mean thing to say. And something you very easily chuck out at people.

Frank you are getting increasingly incoherent. Are you OK?

The campaign is global Jingle and was started befire the recent terrible events in India.

Butty put a link up when Ruby Wax joined the campaign about 4/5 months ago.

I think the Billion campaign is aimed more at India and third world countries. On the whole in this country, it is treated very seriously by the law.

Perhaps we should close down the late night clubs, cos they all tumble out of those drunk - women and men alike!

Young people need educating in the dangers of over-drinking. And examples set by their elders.

He does not condone it, jings but he thinks that it does not happen very often, and it is only perverted and demented nutters who do it, and that women bring it on themselves by their clothes and behaviour, and could avoid it. Most of the replies are trying to make him admit that men should learn how to avoid rape situations too.

Are we sure that HunterF condones rape? I very much doubt that he does!

Frank, I haven't entered the conversation before, but I am puzzled by your response to a very serious issue. Please will you read this article and then come back and give us your response? It's quite long, but I would be interested to read your feedback after being informed a little better than it seems you are now.

I hope you explained to your GD later that, although it was ok on that occasion as you were with her, she should never at any other time talk to strangers or accept gifts from them

I'm sure you did. But you do have to be careful with young children.

Newspaper article.

'Boys will ask you every day until you say yes'

The carriage was nearly full.

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You can never judge men on their appearances.
When I got on the train once with my granddaughter 2 RAF men got on and must have been that tall.
They did start talking pleasently to my granddaughter and myself and gave her a couple of bags of chrisps and a couple of other bits of food and a drink. It was all sealed.
I was not worried as the carriage was nearly full.
They got off the train about half an hour later and went away happy and no harm was done.
They did think it was a pity they did not have anything more child friendly with them but obviously they did not expect to meet my granddaughter.

Frank

Dancing round the kitchen table will not do. They want you to walk out of work! (not that many of us on here do much are employed.

Frank Everyone is saying it is not just perverted strangers who attack women It could be the ordinary chap next door with the nice quiet wife, the teenager whose girl was just expecting an evening at the pictures and a bit of a cuddle and did not have the self-confidence (and muscle power) to call a halt, the twenty/thirty something who thought that a first date would be a romantic dinner followed by another couple of outings before it got really intimate, and found a wrestling match instead.

People bump into each other on public transport, at peak times. Mostly they apologise and try not to repeat it, but a surprising number of women have found themselves repeatedly pressed up against an obviously very male fellow passenger. "Don't make a fuss" is implicit in this situation - they will always blame the crowd, the lurching train, female hysteria, whatever is not their fault.

Frank, have you ever been in the company of rampant homosexuals talking dirty who scared you? Oh no, of course, you would punch them in the eye if they tried anything on, so you would not be bothered. Imagine instead that they were not only gay, but also 6ft 3" hyper-fit soldiers just back from a tour abroad and hungry for a bit of the other. Still no fear? Or would you leave as soon as possible and hope they were taking a different road to the station.

Most rapes are NOT of women in skimpy dresses, they are of wives and dates who said no - or would have done had they been able.

Unfortunately there will always be perverts around who will attack women and I just can not see what can be done about it except security camaras etc.
Just because men are by themselves at a sports centre or anywhere else does not mean they have any bad intent.
I did hear of a man in his mid 20's who was widowed and I have met 2 men in the same situation in their mid 30's.
The only time I hurt a woman was when I was doing first aid on her and looking back I probably pressed a bit hard to stop the blood but I was only a first aider and not a doctor.
Another woman was helping but she was not a first aider.
Ok people do bump into each other in exercise classes but women do bump into women and I have had women bump into me by going the wrong way. I have knocked into women but I have never done any injury.
Women want men in the home. As everybody knows I was married and then widowed.

Frank

Thanks for the link, Jings...will read it with interest.

found the website

Is there a link to the main subject?

All sides of an argument (bad word but you know what I mean) can be explored surely?

j07 I am sure most of us would agree about sensible ways for women to keep themselves as safe as possible, not just from rapists but from muggers and other thieves too – from groups of friends on a night out staying together to not getting blind drunk and from walking purposefully along the road to avoiding shortcuts across lonely places in the dark. That was not really what the thread was about and the subject didn't even arise until it was hijacked and meandered off even more than threads usually do. But you are, of course, quite correct in everything you say.

I had never heard of this One Billion thing before. One billion what? I know it's about rape, but they can't have counted them all. Has a link been put up? Perhaps I have missed it. (haven't read all the long winded posts on the thread)

I think this thread is getting bitchy. Against Frank.

I think women would be simply sensible to apply a bit of avoidance to late night situations. Like, putting a coat over their skimpy outfits, not getting drunk, not drawing attention to themselves through daft and rowdy behaviour.

Of course the blame for rape lies wholly with the perpetrator, but self protection/common sense is good.

If the man walking to the train station at the same time as the lady who tripped and fell through nervousness was not prosecuted by the police, then the discussion of the (non?) event seems pointless.