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Why should wearing a hijab make her any different to any other 15 year old girl..........

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j08 Fri 22-Feb-13 17:54:28

football fan

JessM Sun 24-Feb-13 08:04:55

Another positive is :" Look a Muslim girl can go to football these days and be perfectly safe" Wow.

Deeda there was a test case in a school in Luton where the girl wanted to wear full length cover up. School won. I was pleased because schools are cramped places in which long billowing garments hazardous. (those staircases 2 minutes after the bell rings, those crowded labs with flames and 30 kids) And it would not be possible for a girl dressed like that to access all aspects of the curriculum.
I'm afraid that if I was running a laboratory I would not think this clothing was safe.
Depends where "home" is Deeda. Not all muslim countries prevent women from working. Only Saudi and one or two others maybe. Indonesia is the biggest muslim country in terms of population I believe.

NfkDumpling Sun 24-Feb-13 07:59:29

Of course women shouldn't be more modest than men. If more men were more modest (modester?) and had more self control there would be no need for hijabs and burkas.

(Of course the vast majority of men do have self control)

Bags Sun 24-Feb-13 07:25:37

There is an underlying message with the picture that is good: repressive muslim parents, look! muslim girls are allowed to go to football matches.

Or even: Muslim girls, look! You can go to football matches and yell your head off in support of your team like other girls your age.

BTW, re the comments about the hijab being about modesty, what's "immodest" about yelling your head off at a sports event? What has sexual modesty got to do with it?

And why should females have to more modest than men anyway? #rhetoricalquestion

NfkDumpling Sat 23-Feb-13 21:09:33

If the hijab is supposed to make a girl modest, it looks to have failed for in this case - she seems to be screaming her head off with abandon.

Also no mention is made of the man behind her wearing a hood.

Deedaa Sat 23-Feb-13 20:24:20

Several years ago my daughter had a muslim post grad student who was covered from head to foot including long black gloves. Obviously it made her practical laboratory work very difficult and it was hard to believe that she was really going to be allowed to do much when she went home.

Greatnan Sat 23-Feb-13 20:12:28

Is it silly season for the press in the UK? This is a non-story.

Galen Sat 23-Feb-13 14:15:42

Or a ramp?

dorsetpennt Sat 23-Feb-13 14:15:28

I also think the wearing of the hijab and/or abaya a cultural expression too. Many Indians and Pakistanis are muslim and the women wear saris and long scarf or shawl [can't remember the name] instead. Many practicing muslim men and women wear western dress. A lot families don't ask their daughters to wear a hijab but the girls often do as an expression of their faith and almost as a fashion statement.
I also know that quite often the woman wearing the full burka has the most fashionable expensive western outfit underneath. I do feel sad when I see a woman with a full black burka on with only her eyes visible - her husband wearing what he wants. I live by the sea and we do see muslim families on the beach - which is nice. The men and children in swimwear as appropriate for the seaside, the women in full burkas - must be as hot as hell. It just seems so sad that this person can't enjoy splashing about in the water like her family.

Galen Sat 23-Feb-13 14:15:02

You want to make some one (a)cross?

soop Sat 23-Feb-13 14:04:52

wink jings

j08 Sat 23-Feb-13 14:00:35

Why are two short planks coming into my mind

Galen Sat 23-Feb-13 13:35:40

You and JO 8-infinity.
Hey folks how long has jing been 8 for? A long time I think. I'm worriedhmm
Do you think she's got old and stuck in her ways?

Orca Sat 23-Feb-13 13:27:39

She's my role model grin

Galen Sat 23-Feb-13 13:26:01

The Queen wears a headscarf

Orca Sat 23-Feb-13 13:18:56

I wear something similar when walking the dog, only it's in the tartan. Keeps the ears and neck nice and warm.

j08 Sat 23-Feb-13 13:10:23

It has a purpose. To cover the hair. Which is, allegedly, provocative to men.

Still think it was inverted racism to single her out.

GillieB Sat 23-Feb-13 12:57:12

I am a season ticket holder at Newcastle United and it is certainly not uncommon to see the occasional woman wearing a hijab - and I would say that women in general, whilst a minority, make up quite a large percentage of the crowd.

Galen Sat 23-Feb-13 11:58:33

You see as many hijab s as bare heads in Bristol these days. So I wouldn't be surprised to see them at rovers or city.

Bags Sat 23-Feb-13 11:05:54

Anyway, as I said. It's what she's wearing that's different, not what she's doing. Glad she enjoys watching football. Even gladder if she enjoys playing football, and is allowed to.

Bags Sat 23-Feb-13 11:04:18

Religious badges that are inconspicuous are a different matter from ones that are. I merely meant that hers is conspicuous. That's why she was noticed. If it were common to see people wearing the hijab at football matches in Swansea, it wouldn't be newsworthy, would it? It's be more like picking out a chap or chappess wearing a read and white bobble hat at a Manchester football match. er... well... yeah... like, so what?

If it isn't a religious badge, why do only moslems wear it?

I think it's sad that it has become a religious badge, but there's no denying that it has.

annodomini Sat 23-Feb-13 10:02:47

It's also strange how many of these highly tattooed young (or not so young) men (or women) have religious symbols among their tattoos. My daft GD has a - fortunately inconspicuous - cross on one wrist.

j08 Sat 23-Feb-13 09:00:48

And how can you possibly know how many, in a crowd of football fans, have a Cross or a Star of David round their necks? Or any other religious symbol on their person for that matter.

j08 Sat 23-Feb-13 08:49:28

The hijab isn't just a "religious badge".

JessM Sat 23-Feb-13 07:57:28

Thank you nannaanna I think i will stick to headscarf then.

Bags Sat 23-Feb-13 06:45:06

The hijab singled her out because it's a religious badge. Something tells me religious badges are not common on football match go-ers. So, obviously, it was noticed. The fact that it was noticed doesn't mark her out as different; it marks out what she's wearing as different. Which it is at a football match. It may become common for girls wearing hijabs to go to football matches, though I rather hope they'll just go to the matches and ditch the religious badge.