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What I learned in school - the psychology of giving attention

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JessM Fri 29-Mar-13 14:24:37

Just remembered a quote, someone once referred to Houston (a vast urban sprawl) as "the blob that ate East Texas*. Reminded me of the cat that completely dominated the kitchen by doing that 'feed me feed me' routine every time a pair of ankles hoved into view.

JessM Mon 25-Mar-13 20:53:09

grin not meaning it entirely seriously ana about calling threads after gynaecological conditions but there are patterns in cat behaviour - they are attracted to fish, milk, cosy baskets in front of the fire etc, but not other subjects like leads, walks , jumping in the river to retrieve sticks etc

Ana Mon 25-Mar-13 19:03:37

But it would soon become evident that they weren't all about such things, and cats being very curious creatures wouldn't be able to resist having a look...and having a poke around.

JessM Mon 25-Mar-13 18:55:34

that's the problem ana in a nutshell.
when loved the way he got the accent wrong and then worked it in. Changed name from Evans to Pavlov.
Think maybe entitling most new threads things like yucky gynaecological problems might be the equivalent of putting a sign on the kitchen door that says, in cat writing, nothing in here is going to be interesting to cats, ever. Only dog stuff.

grannyactivist Mon 25-Mar-13 18:52:19

Thanks for this post Jess, I have been following this plan for some time and have limited myself to entering only certain rooms. It's been quite disheartening at times, but I have persevered - I do hope others will follow suit. wink

whenim64 Mon 25-Mar-13 18:43:07

I prefer Eddie Izzard's account of how Pavlov tried training a cat, before his success with dogs. [Grin] Here:

championdogtrainingeducation.com/2013/02/eddie-izzard-pavlovs-cat/

Ana Mon 25-Mar-13 18:41:17

You might be able to control a cat in that way, but if many people have access to your house there'll always be someone who feels sorry for it and wants to give it a treat! Or someone else who thinks you're being cruel to it...wink

JessM Mon 25-Mar-13 18:38:40

I think so. I don't have cat. There was a woman on the radio with an obese cat. She sounded as if she was as hooked on giving the cat snacks as the cat was determined to keep on getting them. No accounting for tastes grin

Butty Mon 25-Mar-13 18:20:01

I hope 'metaphor' is the right word to use. hmm

Butty Mon 25-Mar-13 18:18:53

An apt metaphor, Jess. grin

JessM Mon 25-Mar-13 18:04:02

There is also the "don't go in the kitchen in the first place" approach with such a cat. Which involves sticking to other rooms in the house. The library, the laundry, the nursery etc hmm grin

JessM Mon 25-Mar-13 17:48:10

hmm this is of course the tricky bit. Spot the child being good and reward it. However if what you are trying to do is drastically reduce the frequency of a behaviour then the only thing to do is go cold turkey.
Imagine a cat who is used to being given a little snack every time a human walks into the kitchen. Cat of course makes a pest of itself, winding itself around ankles and trying to trip up humans whenever ankles appear in the kitchen.
If you want cat to stop it, you throw all the snacks in the bin and don't buy any more. Feed cat, in bowl, in yard. Never give cat any food in kitchen. The begging will stop quite quickly. If you wanted to train cat into another behaviour e.g. sitting sweetly and hopefully in the corner, it would be quite tricky. Not impossible but would probably require one, focussed person behaving in a structured way to pull it off.

gracesmum Mon 25-Mar-13 16:36:15

But should we not encourage sensible posts good actions by rewarding them on the isolated occasions they happen?

Butty Mon 25-Mar-13 16:29:56

A timely comment Jess, grin, and yes when, intermittent rewarding will perpetuate an on-going cycle ad nauseum. wink

whenim64 Mon 25-Mar-13 15:30:27

Yes, Jess, and intermittent reinforcement is most effective, so receivng encouragement just once in a while undoes all the good work to wean off the attention-seeker! We never learn! grin

goldengirl Mon 25-Mar-13 15:19:35

I agree with you JessM but find it difficult to remember on occasion!

Ana Mon 25-Mar-13 15:04:34

It would be too hard for me!

Ella46 Mon 25-Mar-13 15:01:49

You can lead a horse to water...................
Not everyone wants to join in Jess grin but I'm right with you!

Anne58 Mon 25-Mar-13 14:55:27

I get your drift, JessM grin

JessM Mon 25-Mar-13 14:19:08

Couple of threads have reminded me about one of the things I learned when studying psychology.
If you reward a behaviour the frequency of the behaviour will increase.
This was discovered by BF Skinner many years ago. He experimented on rats and pigeons - if they were rewarded they could learn all kinds of clever tricks - pressing levers, running mazes, doing little twirly dances etc. In the case of rats and pigeons the rewards were a little pellet of food.
He also discovered that:
reward changes behaviour much better than punishment
and
intermittent reward is more powerful than a reward that occurs every time.

This principle cannot of course be applied to all human behaviour. But you can see it working beautifully in situations like slot machine gambling addicts - intermittent rewards in practice.
In humans a "reward" can be a plastic token worth $5 or it can be a bit of chocolate or it can be attention. Children can learn all kinds of bad behaviour because the bad behaviour gets parental attention, whereas the good behaviour leads to them being ignored. In this scenario any attention, even a smack, can work as a "reward" - reinforcing and encouraging the very behaviour that is getting on the adult's nerves. Attention works like squirting oxygen at a fire, making it burn more brightly. Lack of attention has the opposite effect.