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Do we swear by what we fear or what we hold most dear?

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gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 15:55:32

The furore about J08's thread title featuring the "F" word had me thinking about how oaths and expletives must have changed over the centuries. Apparently as far back as Viking times there used to be ritual insulting "matches" called "Flyting" which although it diminished in Middle English, revived to an extent in Scotland during the Renaissance. (I'm thinking a sort of Sir Walter Scott v. Rab C Nesbitt?)
The terms "oath" and "swearing" of course have become debased and are generally only used in their original sense in formal/legal settings. How we used to giggle at school when characters in drama were urged to "Swear!" (we would mutter "bugger" or "bollocks" and snigger ) The obvious force behind swearing in medieval times was Christianity and blasphemous utterances were the obverse side of faith. It is interesting (to me anyway) that sexual swearing (now de rigueur) was uncommon and apparently does not feature in medieval writers such as Chaucer. As we have seen it is now taken seriously by some and lightly by others which would not have been the case with religious oaths in the Middle Ages.
One of the earliest insults was "horson" or "whore's son" which is pretty explicit! So it got me thinking about how in the past, people generally swore by what they feared "Hell, hellfire, damnation,", what they held most dear "God, Jesus, Zounds (God's wounds)Heavens, etc etc . Nowadays, apart from not deliberately insulting the vicar, religious oaths are not seen to be as unrepeatable as what I think are euphemistically called Anglo-Saxon expletives which refer to bodily functions, body parts, people/animals (pig, bitch etc) presumably partly because these are words not deemed "polite" and perhaps because religion is no longer a prime factorin many people's lives, sex has taken over. So, what for the future? Will we be swearing by what we hold most dear ( iPads, iPhone 5s's, Lakeland catalogues or chocolate cake) or by what we fear - Zimmer frames, care homes, Tena ladies or commodes?
Plenty of scope for censorship there !! grin

Galen Sat 21-Sept-13 15:57:44

'Then the soldier bearded like the pard. Full of strange oaths?

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 16:05:55

I imagine the PBI (poor bloody infantry) in Shakespeare's day used as "robust" language as squaddies today - only different!!
This is such a difficut speech to do well, like "To be or not to be " or John of Gaunt's "This royal throne of kings..." when the actor knows at least half the audience know the speech off by heart too!! Done brilliantly by Oliver Ryan as Melancholy Jacques at this season's As You LIke It at Stratford IMHO as indeed was To Be or Not To Be by Jon Slinger's Hamlet.

Galen Sat 21-Sept-13 16:15:31

Must go to Stratford next year. Do they do free carers tickets for disabled patrons do you know

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 16:18:57

I don't know but they do have wheelchair spaces. Regarding carers' free tickets - form an orderly queue (behind me)!!!
They are having a bit of a "feminist" season in The Swan with Webster's White Devil, Middleton's The Roaring Girl and a play I had never heard of called Arden of Faversham about a woman who plots to murder her husband. All 3 directors are women and DD is designing the first 2 plays.

Galen Sat 21-Sept-13 16:21:23

Oh dear! (Very forcefully)

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 16:25:23

Why? The 2 directors we know are brilliant and DD is of course also!! If I say "feminist" it is that women are featuring in all 3 production teams, so often directors and designers are men, I am delighted to see some talented women taking their rightful place.

(Now , let's get back to expletives!!)

Galen Sat 21-Sept-13 16:34:20

I want Shakespeare

annodomini Sat 21-Sept-13 16:55:33

In King Lear, Kent has a wonderful speech in which he insults the courtier, Oswald:

A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a
base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited,
hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a
lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson,
glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue;
one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a
bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but
the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar,
and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch...

Shakespeare often uses 'whoreson' but I really like that last line!

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 17:13:02

a "worsted-stocking knave" - that really would have been telling him!

janeainsworth Sat 21-Sept-13 17:15:42

DD2 once gave DS a little book of Shakespearean insults for Christmas.
Family tea-time was enlivened for months wink
gracesmum you are a fount of knowledge.
Do you know where the expression 'Starve the lizards!' originates? It is a favourite of a dear friend of ours.

j08 Sat 21-Sept-13 17:29:14

what furore? I didn't notice one!

You sure you're not over-thinking this Gracesmum. wink

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 17:34:41

hmm
Nope! grin

Tegan Sat 21-Sept-13 17:56:15

Shall we start a book on 'next swear word to be used by the masses'?

Tegan Sat 21-Sept-13 17:57:44

In fact, I was thinking t'other night when I was watching Peaky Blinders, did people really use the f word in 1919?

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 18:26:42

Well, good iPad and shiver me zimmer frame, I don't believe they did!

Tegan Sat 21-Sept-13 19:22:09

Oh they did [!!] but the word 'occupy' was a no no for 400 years shock. In a book called Time Spike some people had to go back to the 19th century and, when they did they had to know what expletives were the norm then, and that was one of them. D'you think that, when I retire [4 more days now] I'll spend most of my life googling things? Anyway, I'm just going to Pixel off now, because Beeny's on the telly.

absent Sat 21-Sept-13 19:44:55

I have always rather admired "irksome strumpet" as a Shakespearean insult. I can certainly think of a sexual swear word in Shakespeare (Henry IV part 2): A foutre for the world and wordlings base!.

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 20:07:05

Shakespeare doesn't really count as Middle Ages, does he? (Not nit picking and I am not sure what age he counts as!!)
Another thought is that I would like to distinguish between insults and oaths/expletives

annodomini Sat 21-Sept-13 20:40:39

Not Middle Ages, no. We were told in our history lessons at school that the Middle Ages ended with the Battle of Bosworth in 1485!

Aka Sat 21-Sept-13 20:46:21

How could they know that was going to be the middle?

gracesmum Sat 21-Sept-13 21:00:33

True!! Especially as in many countries, it was feared that the year 1500 was to be the end of the world - viz Florence/Savonarola etc.