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HISTORY......orcs?

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Galen Fri 24-Jan-14 09:23:24

Romans, far back? No way! They're modern.
My interest is in Egyptology and other early civilisations!

I don't have ents, but I have efts! Will they do?

Tegan Fri 24-Jan-14 08:34:27

I'm sure that recent'ish BBC series about them made them sound quite nice confused....[or perhaps I'm getting nice mixed up with cunning?]

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 08:20:59

I think Allie that the Romans are so far back they have been almost forgotten. But it was just around the corner from here that they finally conquered englandandwales when they crossed the Straits and beat up the Druids.
The Normans/Orcs brutally conquered this part of the world with huge armies and their massive fortresses (Conwy, Caernarfon and Beaumaris) stand to this day as an un-ignorable reminder - along with their mediaeval towns where the locals were not allowed to live or trade. The local population near Beamaris were thrown off their land and made to live in a sandy waste on the other side of the island - Newborough is still a rather bleak little village and Beamaris more English than the rest of the island.
The Normans took all the best land leaving the damp, scrubby land for the locals.
In the 19th C one of the gentry spent his slaveryandslate money building himself the most enormous, vulgar, imitation norman castle at Penrhyn, just to rub salt into the wound. It's where I do my volunteer gardening and it is my nomination for the worst-taste-least-sensitive NT property. http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/penrhyn-castle/ Photographs cannot convey just how flipping big it is.
Been reading the books by Sharon Penman on the normans and they seem to have been an extremely brutal, nasty bunch.

AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 16:52:52

Eek!

annodomini Thu 23-Jan-14 16:41:29

I would guess that along with the Anglo/Viking/Celt blood, my family has a smattering of Norman (Orcish) blood.

rosesarered Thu 23-Jan-14 16:08:53

DH is a Tolkein fan so will pass on that bit of info regarding Orcs.

rosesarered Thu 23-Jan-14 16:08:14

Oh dear Alie

AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 16:04:11

Come to think of it quite a few of the link comments would describe my Ex...

AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 16:02:47

Jess - and the Romans too?

AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 15:59:46

My Ex was proud of Norman ancestry..........

rosesarered Thu 23-Jan-14 15:58:57

If only we had a few ENTS [ maybe that word is anglo-saxon too?]

rosesarered Thu 23-Jan-14 15:57:41

grin

AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 15:57:17

The Battle of Hastings has also been called the Battle for Middle Earth.....

JessM Thu 23-Jan-14 15:56:13

Normans still remembered as vile monsters in this neck of woods.

FlicketyB Thu 23-Jan-14 15:48:52

Tolkien was a lecturer in Anglo-Saxon at Oxford University. He drew on his knowledge of the Anglo-Saxon language and culture when describing and ascribing language to middle earth so it does not surprise me that he used that word to describe vile monsters in Lord of the Rings

AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 13:17:58

Was reading a Kate Sedley book, "The Tintern Treasure" and came across a reference to ORCS. Not as in Tolkein, but as in the Saxon nickname for the Normans! Orc was an old English word used to describe a monster, demon or foreigner...

Then I found this too:
thesnufkin.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/norman-orcs-who-rule-us-still.html

Like.