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HISTORY......orcs?

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AlieOxon Thu 23-Jan-14 13:17:58

Was reading a Kate Sedley book, "The Tintern Treasure" and came across a reference to ORCS. Not as in Tolkein, but as in the Saxon nickname for the Normans! Orc was an old English word used to describe a monster, demon or foreigner...

Then I found this too:
thesnufkin.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/norman-orcs-who-rule-us-still.html

Like.

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 20:13:25

Wonder, though, if they were called Orcs too!

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 20:12:20

Anyone read "The Long Ships" by Frans Bengtsson ?
Good rollicking Viking tale and fairly accurate historically I think.

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 20:10:22

Yes there was a Norman kingdom in the middle east wasn't there. i learned so much from Sharon Penman who was recommended by GN.

FlicketyB Fri 24-Jan-14 19:49:37

...and they became Kings of Sicily and Antioch. Travelled cross country through Russia to Byzantium, mainly trading but not averse to pillage if all else failed as well.

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 18:38:33

They founded Dublin, too.

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 18:25:13

Swansea was also a Viking colony Sweyne's Eyot. (Swenyn's little island at the river mouth, I think)

rosesarered Fri 24-Jan-14 17:54:31

Oistreham does sound right doesn't it? Easterham? Yes, The Vikings were immigrants to Normandy [Nor' man dy] Northmen. I heard they had to wait a year before they got their benefits though, so came came to UK [it was a soft touch!] Any local who derided their long ginger hair or beard got an axe through their nut [ hence....... gingernuts!]

Mamie Fri 24-Jan-14 13:57:39

Strangely enough there are a few red beards in this bit of Normandy. I have also read that there are four Viking place names in Basse Normandie. I reckon Ouistreham might be one?

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 13:53:41

Evidently there were other waves of Vikings. Not many red heads around these parts now.
You'd probably find the inside looking smarter mamie - at least the parts on public view. But there are something like 300 rooms apparently.

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 11:44:29

How about this?
www.museumwales.ac.uk/cy/1934/

Elegran Fri 24-Jan-14 11:37:24

Oh you'll never get to heaven, in an old Ford car
Cos an old Ford car won't go that far.

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 11:33:21

Love the Ford Anglia bit Mamie!

Mamie Fri 24-Jan-14 11:11:24

We went back in the 1970s when the children were small. Not since though.

Mamie Fri 24-Jan-14 11:08:21

I was working for the bloke that ran the caff. Pre National Trust I think. The recipe book was from people living on the estate and round about. I keep it for the Bara Brith recipe. My OH had a hot dog van on the Llanberis pass that year. People were for ever asking the way to Beddgelert apart from one family who wanted to go to Betelgeuse. He said they were unlikely to get there in a Ford Anglia. grin

newist Fri 24-Jan-14 11:02:39

I always felt I had Viking ancestors, having red hair and being born in the North East

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 10:59:14

That's fantastic mamie I will ask if it is still in print.
yes - the cooks recipes it sounds like.
Was that working for the family or the NT mamie?
Have you been back?

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 10:39:47

Sounds like the gentry nicking the local recipes?

Mamie Fri 24-Jan-14 10:27:27

Jess, when I was a student I had a vac job as a waitress in Penrhyn Castle. smile It was a nice walk up the drive in the morning. I still have the Lady Janet cookery book (not her copy obviously) with recipes for things like Mrs Dai Evans' suet roll.

annodomini Fri 24-Jan-14 10:17:13

The Normans were Vikings and the Anglo Saxons from North Germany were genetically identical to the Danish Vikings, although the Vikings from the Northern lands were different.

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 10:06:48

I was surprised that Chepstow Castle (near my sister's place) was built in 1067!

AlieOxon Fri 24-Jan-14 10:04:30

Gingers, eh?

Not forgetting the Harrying of the North and the burning of the land there...

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 09:48:48

Yes and once they had nicked advanced technology from the Welsh (the longbow) they kept up the beserker tradition (with a hefty dose of Catholicism thrown in)
Quite a few of the nobility had reddish hair and their idea of perfect female beauty was a scandinavian type blonde - presumably the Viking influence.

Tegan Fri 24-Jan-14 09:42:06

It was a three or four part series caled The Normans; at first I thought the presenter was going to be really dry and boring but it turned out to be really interesting. Trouble is, I watch these things and five minutes later I've forgotten everything I've seen.

feetlebaum Fri 24-Jan-14 09:28:01

The Normans were actually Viking immigrants to France, weren't they?

JessM Fri 24-Jan-14 09:25:28

Which prog was that Tegan?
I'm sure individually some of them were... but it was a dog eat dog world in which brothers and cousins waged war against each other (and even their parents) and the ones with the most bloodthirsty armies got to be king - with had absolute power. And women (with very few exceptions) had a rough deal.