to all GN's living in France 4 year old boy missing

Oh what a cock up. No way of mere bystanders to pick the bones out of this.

My father died from Ca brain aged 54

While transporting the child to Spain is probably not the wisest or most beneficial thing to do, arresting the parents seems rather heavy-handed unless there are other serious issues that have not been revealed. Acting against the advice of medics is not, so far as I understand, criminal.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/30/ashya-brain-tumour-found-parents-spain

A link to the Guardian report with a long video from the father telling us what has been going on.

My husband died from a grade 4 brain tumour after having an operation and radiotherapy. The tumour came back after a month. I think they should be given a chance to do what they want to do.

Contrary to what some may think I am just glad to know that he has been found and it did look like the feeding tube was still working .

It will be interesting to see how this is handled from this point and I hope any concerns viewed concerning the family will be put to bed and their wishes respected and Aysha has any health care he requires whether that be in Spain or wherever.

Without knowing the whole story it's difficult to comment. A very sad situation.

Galen

I may follow you.

jing quite right, poor little fellow.

all

Jing I concurr

The latest news is that they have been found within the last few minutes in Marbella.

I find myself agreeing with you jingle It had struck me that taking a child home because you don't want to continue the treatment is understandable- driving a critically ill child round the continent is something quite different.

To take any child from a hospital after he has had a huge operation, and drag him across Europe in a car is downright cruel.

Poor little boy.

The situation is hugely complicated by the fact that this boy is a minor - it is very different from an adult making a request to end their life, which should, I believe, be respected.

It is very complex and emotional. I imagine if one of my children were married to someone who decided (for religious or other reasons) that our GC should not receive life-saving treatment. I would probably (depending on the exact circumstances) be happy for the GC to be made a ward of court and be saved.

And what about those who have asked and asked and asked for assistance to die and the answer is always no from the medical "authorities". c/f Tony Nicklinson et al.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10088740/Woman-jailed-by-secret-court-for-taking-father-out-of-care-home-talks-for-first-time-of-her-ordeal.html

And what about the woman who was sent to prison because she felt she could look after her elderly father better than a care home could ?

The medical establishment do sometimes over-rule the wishes of parents. They also sometimes over-rule the wishes of adult children regarding their terminally ill and suffering parents.

A case from a few years ago still appals me when I think of it. A woman was dying in great pain in hospital and she made it plain she did not want to continue. Her adult children tried to end her suffering in some way I cannot entirely remember now, giving her pills of some kind maybe. Anyway, nurses had become suspicious enough to keep watch. They saw what the children were doing, rushed in and stopped them and called the police. The children were arrested and the sick woman died a few weeks later after suffering great pain.

Yes, the medical establishment are not ogres who over-rule the wishes of parents, and the parents cannot kidnap their own child. We have not heard all sides of this story by any means, only what the media has published as a good paper-seller.

I can't help thinking that there is a very good reason for this child to be found. The fact that there is now an arrest warrant out is likely to mean that there are concerns about which we know nothing.

Gangs of child abusers etc. are irrelevant. And we do not know that the parents just wish him to die at home - that is likely to be a wish that would be respected under many circumstances.

In the UK EVERYTHING IS about PC sad to say!!

Thanks a bunch, Teflon and your cronies

Perhaps the truth hurts, especially when it is true. Think about how this situation looks to people outside the UK, gangs of men can rape children, and the police do nothing, and worse than nothing.
Loving parents want to care for their dying son, and they are chased around Europe by the British police and media, it was not a cheap shot it is a fact.

I'm sorry if my OP upset you Absentgrandma but you know what I don't regret it.

Felice.

That was a cheap shot.

Just heard on radio 4 news that a European arrest warrant has been issued for the parents.
Belgian friends have commented just now that perhaps the Police would be better used to round up the gangs of child abusers in the UK.
This situation is now out of control.
Quote from a Morrocan friend 'looks like if you have are from an 'ethnic' background you can rape children to your hearts content, but god help you if you disagree with a doctor'

It is a very sad situation. However, it puzzled me that the BBC reported that the hospital did not raise the alarm about the missing child for six hours.
Did that mean that the parents were allowed to take him out for some fresh air and did not return, that the staff were not checking on the child as frequently as surely they should, or that one or more of the staff 'turned a blind eye' because the parents expressed a wish to allow their child to die in peace at home?
If he was receiving treatment does that mean there was a chance of recovery? Or perhaps a hospice would have been a better place for this child, less clinical but still receiving the medical attention he needed.