soop I'll catch up with everyone's news and post properly soon. I just popped in to tell you about. A product called Wine Away. It's available from Lakeland and I've just had a quick google, it's also available from lots of other suppliers. It works wonders on red wine stains. Even on newly recovered cream ones.

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