Cannot believe this bigotry

Anniebach Many working class children went to grammar schools in the 50s and 60s. Are you saying that grammar school made them all middle class?

"Strike my comment to Durham.It may offend and that is not my intention.My apologies .No,I speak mainly for the good working class people of this country .Whatever their colour or creed.Of which there are still many believe me."

This is where it came up.
I just told Marmark I thought I was good working class, and she did not speak for me.

I agree that you wouldn't need to know. Some people do seem to feel very proud of being working class though and are happy to declare it!

The late Tony Benn summed it up: he said, if your paid for the work you do then your working class.

I suspect you wouldn't know. Why would one need to know anyhow? It's just another not very useful label.

So are you saying that it's an accident of birth, Elegran? How would you know which was which in the two examples you give?

Middle class people also live in social housing, in a street, have jobs where they have to wear protective clothes and get their hands dirty. Working class people buy houses, work in clean jobs in smart clothes, buy big cars, take holidays.

There is no definitive classification.

Bus in Birmingham yesterday, fair haired mother with a lively dark eyed one year beaming from his buggy. A fellow passenger admired him and she said loudly and proudly 'He gets his looks from his dad, my husband's from Afghanistan!'

Yes, and how do people decide they are working class? Is it supposed to be down to one's 'roots', i.e. my parents and grandparents were working class so I am too?

How does one decide they are middle class? If they don't live in social housing , if they live in an avenue not a street, if they have a job where overalls are not required, if their job doesn't involve getting their hands dirty, if they went to grammar school

And need them at times. Middle class does not automatically equal middle income.

And middle class people also claim benefits.

Jane10, working class people also pay taxes

Correction to my post

I am a good hard working class person

Yes Ana I always bristle at that term. The poor old middle classes who've beavered away for generations are just as "hard working" as anyone else but seem to get it in the neck all the time.
I can share people's concern at the likelihood of development of ghettos (despite the good intentions of SWs and charities, people will want to be with others the same), longer queues on the housing list, longer waits for NHS services, larger class sizes, higher taxes (its the middle classes who get hammered every time but are expected not to moan about it) etc etc etc.
I didn't vote Tory but I think DC has got it right in his plans for helping with this crisis. And it is a crisis.

It depends how you define 'working class', although I note you didn't use that term, Anniebach.

May I add my name to the list of good hard working people of this country and you do not speak for me Mamark

I thought I was a good working class person, now retired, of this country. I might even have taught your children.
However, I am pleased you have realised what you said. It did offend me, and possibly many others like me. That's why I did not respond yesterday.

Mamark, children become adults do they not?

Strike my comment to Durham.It may offend and that is not my intention.My apologies .No,I speak mainly for the good working class people of this country .Whatever their colour or creed.Of which there are still many believe me.

Anniebach,I'm sure few people would turn a child away,I would find room some where.But if that child was accompanied by adults.?
But as I asked.How many are some of you taking.

Durhamjen,Definatly Not speaking for the likes of you.
Incidentally,how many are you all taking?
No,Definatly can see trouble ahead.Cultural differences ,a few,no problem of course.Our family,especially my husbands side,must have someone of every colour creed denomination,without a doubt.Get on very well,and yes learnt some things.

God forbid cause some houses to be built on a golf course

No need at all to build on precious golf courses, or farms, or even Green Belt (although they will keep insisting on doing that!).
(see my post re brownfield sites, unused building sites, empty houses ....)

With a large number of economic migrants joining the genuine refugees will they be taking away from those that really deserve our help ? The fittest are always going to be at the front of the queue.
No child would be left to their own devices, unaccompanied minors are taken care of.

If a child was standing outside our home , cold, wet, frightened , homeless would we turn the child away because we did not share the same culture ? This is we are doing to the refugees , turning our backs on their suffering because we think they may cause us some inconvenience or God forbid cause some houses to be built on a golf course