Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

But nina, if the law is changed and the gender recognition bill goes through then all men will have access to female spaces, all men, just because they can say they are women and they will be in the right legally. In country's where this has gone through you end up with all females getting changed in a bloody cupboard so that one fully intact male can have the female changing room. Or female prisoners having to go to court to fight for the right to have a shower without being masterbated on.

I prefer not to be convinced due to there only being 1.5% of the UK population being LGBT. I think they're being given air time but I don't believe they are in the masses. Nor will they impact on the masses. We do strive to protect minorities and that's a good thing. But I can't see them actually changing the majority thinking. I think laws will be passed to create fairness in society for tthem and to pave the way for children who feel gender confused. But I can't see any law being passed that makes a person believe they're something they're not.

Nina What we need to do is make sure our children aren't brainwashed into thinking they're something they're not.

I think that ship has already sailed....

and protect women and girls nina, that tiny minority are changing laws. All men will have access to female space, all men. That's a huge threat to women and girls.

I know an awful lot of people, one because I'm a writer, and two because I run a business. Out of everyone I know only one is transgender and two are gay. I don't think this gender issue is as big as it's being made out to be. As for brain plasticity, we can all become what we think we are. That's neuroscience in a nutshell. Therefore if we're told we are something we are going to believe it. If we step outside our environment, according to cell biologist, Dr Bruce Lipton, PhD, we'll change way beyond Darwinian theory. We'll think our way through. This means the thoughts have to be put there in the first place. We mostly function on instinct and our own gene make up. Therefore I don't feel threatened by the LGBT community taking over. What we need to do is make sure our children aren't brainwashed into thinking they're something they're not.

Just started reading the MN thread, great read.

I think the amount of trans people is tiny, but it's spreading like wildfire across schools and campuses, including primary schools. Young children are generally diagnosed by the toys they play with. This is what really annoys me, I have fought gender stereotyping and just when we're getting somewhere gender and gender roles become more rigorously policed.

How many young gay children will grow up living as the opposite sex?

Ta's seem to be leading the way and are embraced by liberal feminists who don't want to seen as phobic.

Whoputthecatout that's an excellent post on Mumsnet. Thank you.

Ankers - mtt TAs get very cross with lesbians if they do not consider them as sexual partners, it's transphobic don't cha know and there is reams of stuff out there educating women about why they should date penis decked transwomen.

However, now bear with me here because this is where it gets really confused, transwomen don't have to date other transwomen
because <<drumroll>> the sight of another penis will "trigger" them. That's right, They Will Be Trigered. Obviously the female homosexual doesn't get to be triggered by a penis even though she will be the one who has to, you know, you get the picture...

Without me having to google again, how many people are trans would you say? And how many TAs are there roughly?

I dont yet have much sort of perspective about all of this.

^ why don't people care about how offended women are.^

I think feeling offended is rather a personal thing.

And I have to say that some feminists, by no means all, come across as a bit shrill and OTT.

But if they present their case well,as people are doing here, I think it helps other people understand better.

This is an article about female violence, the person used to represent our sex is the transwoman rapist Lisa Hauxwell. Now tell me that I am over reacting. Just read that article, how dare they, he is a man, with a penis, a rapist.

Imagine an article that explored black crime and when you clicked on the link it was a white dude in black make up. How offensive would that be, why don't people care about how offended women are.

I feel like I am in an abusive relationship with society, I could honestly cry.

Are the TAs really advocating rape?

I did like the rest of your post though Retrolady if that helps?!
Dont be frightened to post. There will always be posters to look after you.

Perhaps the answer is single sex, all cubicle toilets ... after we don't have gender divisive loos at home, do we?

But we are not peeing next to our dads.[apologies for sounding coarse].

Ankers - Chloe was celebrated on www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37391807 breakfast. She was celebrated far and wide.

What really breaks my heart is that we all know if an XX female had been the first they wouldn't even have mentioned it.

If the gender recognition bill goes through that's it, people decide their sex and will be in the facilities that match that, obviously this could change every second Tuesday if they wish. There are quite a few reports of mtt accessing female toilets in the workspace as companies bend over backwards not to be seen as transphobic.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2872063-Being-called-a-bigot-and-transphobe-my-response

If you have the stamina for a long bedtime read......

Ok, deep breath, as I've not posted on Gransnet for a while, apart from the relative safety of Soops Kitchen ...
I think Jenny Murray was wrong to say what she did, purely because, as a BBC journalist (albeit freelance) she should be seen to be unbiased, irrespective of her personal views.
However, while I don't agree with her that transitioned females aren't 'proper' women, whatever that is, I do have difficulty accepting that transitioned women are able to access all the spaces that we 'ordinary' women regarded as purely for women - e.g. toilets. Perhaps the answer is single sex, all cubicle toilets ... after we don't have gender divisive loos at home, do we?
I know a person who is in the process of transitioning from female to male and that person uses the disabled loos, but that doesn't seem right. Gender issues are not a disability and shouldn't be designated as such, surely?
Where I do have a major problem though is that, according to the media, Scouts which now admit both genders, are no going to be able to differentiate. Both genders, children, sharing a tent - I don't think so.

Someone mentioned above that you don't seem to see/hear about girls transitioning into boys. I think that may be purely because girls can dress like boys without anyone thinking anything other than that they're wearing trousers; similarly with haircuts. Boys wearing skirts and having long hair, especially the skirts, are more noticeable. Maybe wrongly, maybe 'just' because we are conditioned to feel like that, I don't know, but that seems to be the case.

Now back into Soops Kitchen, I think.

Babies now being assigned a gender at birth - cant find anything on this. Not in Britain anyway.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2631472/NHS-sex-change-drugs-nine-year-olds-Clinic-accused-playing-God-treatment-stops-puberty.html

eeks

Found this
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/british-army-gets-first-woman-on-frontline-as-transgender-soldie/

Yes, the army do seem rather pleased with themselves.

puberty blockers not beta blockers.

By whoever writes the crime statistics to put trans woman of course.

the army - did they "celebrate? Or was it just an article in the Sun newspaper?
She had only started hormone treatment in the last month, so bit of an odd article really.

Beta blockers? Who's gving vulnerable children beta blockers?

Yes Ankers, I think you should do quite a bit of research, not just about the army. I'm no expert but how on earth do you think women crime statistics could 'easily get sorted'?