Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

Personally for me, I do not have a problem with some of the above.

The main one for me is this one
^Transwomen who have not undergone surgery being allowed into female places e.g. toilets, bathrooms and because they have identified as women no one can do anything about it. What an invitation to male perverts that is.
as I said before. But I can only see the one article on the internet as I said before.
Hardly enough to jump up and down about. So what else is there about that?

I do have a problem with women crime statistics but I assume that could easily get sorted.

Vulnerable children give beta blockers - I would need to find out more.

the army - off to google.

This has all the makings of a medical disaster in the future.

Vulnerable children given potentially dangerous puberty blockers;
Transwomen growing up with the effect of testosterone, male musculature and bony structure competing in sports against women;
A transwoman is just now going through the courts with a rape charge, being charged as a woman FFS. If convicted the crime will therefore become part of female crime statistics.See
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4289920/Woman-26-appears-court-charged-raping-man.html

The army recently celebrated its "first" female soldier in the front line. No, it was a transwoman.

Transwomen in entertainment being nominated for female prizes.

Transwomen who have not undergone surgery being allowed into female places e.g. toilets, bathrooms and because they have identified as women no one can do anything about it. What an invitation to male perverts that is.

The Green Party referring to "non-men" rather than men and women to save the feelings of this small minority of individuals. Never mind the feelings of 50% of the population.

We now are supposed to refer to "pregnant persons" rather than women - no less than the BMA brought out guidelines to this effect. Seems doctors can't tell the difference between sex and gender either.

Babies now being "asigned" a "gender" at birth so not the baby's sex being observed. Assigned a gender my arse.

And politicians, the media and even liberal feminists buying into this nonsense.

I have no problem with transwomen: there are numbers of rational, logical transwomen speaking out and saying transwomen are not women. It's the transactivists and their campaigns that seem to be ruling the agenda and sweeping all before.

As usual it is women who are expected to budge up and make room for men.

There are plenty of links to the assertions I've made. Just log on to Mumsnet.

Thanks

Tnaks LSP[sorry I just called you LMP]

I presume for Rigby, LMP and others, it is the TAs that are the problem and not the "ordinary" trans even when they are transitioning from men to women?

Tricia, there is a ton of girls and women transitioning, in higher numbers than males. they take testosterone, wear breast binders and change their names and pronouns. I feel that most are young women opting out of the pornified version of woman they see on the table or young lesbians caught in the zeitgeist. What transmen don't seem to do is to bully and harass gay men who won't sleep with them or pour vitriol on women who don't agree with them.

Ankers scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=brain+plasticity+&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1This is a link to google scholar, if you type in brain plasicity or brain plasticity peer reviewed it will give you lots of food for thought. It's fab, I use it to research brains and skincare products plus anything else that takes my fancy, though not at the same time.

If there is anything else I can link to let me know, I'll have a hunt around.

Or do I mean deep deep hatred of men? Probably

And because trans men don't express the deep deep hatred of women that the trans women TAs do.

TriciaF because it's the men that are the problem. The other way round, trans men don't go around saying that they are real men and know what it's like to be a man - oh and they don't rape women either.

What strikes me most in this discussion, (which is very enlightening , for me, anyway) is that it's almost all about male to female change, rather than female to male change.
I wonder why that is?

Yup Rigby, take Jenni Murray down a peg ot two but lets respect those pronouns when we are talking about rapists.

Also someone said that to be critical of the trans agenda is the same as being homophobic, it is nothing like homophobia. Sexuality does not ask someone to take medication, to remove healthy body tissue or to appropriate a sex that is not your own.

In country's where homosexuality is illegal people are encouraged to transition, Iran I am looking at you. Let that sink in. The trans agenda is deeply homophobic and the way lesbians are treated by the movement is vile.

Ankers Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine is a good read if you are interested in brains.

Me too ann, I'm a feminist and I've been fightin' all my life, my daughter will end up with less rights than I did. She may not even have the right to privacy. Her great grandmother did, her grandmother did, but she may loose this right. Also the right to compete with her own sex. All gone, given away on a whim.

LSP - I came on to link to that story - it encapsulates everything that is wrong with the way the whole trans issue is being allowed to develop. This trans woman was in a court a couple of years ago ( on non sex related crimes) and told magistrates she was transitioning. No doubt there wasn't a dry eye on the bench. Now she's back, still with a penis, and is charged with two counts of rape -as LSP says this is penetration without consent orally, vaginally or anally and some little charmers will do all three of course. How dare the courts collude with all this Humpty Dumpty nonsense - a violent sex crime that can only be committed by a person with a penis and it's been chalked up as a woman being charged? FFFFS. She's been allowed out on bail which is good news for vulnerable women on remand but bad news for men in South Shields. And you know what, I don't think she's a real woman.

For the first time I can see an advantage in being old. The future scares me.

They always were suzied, surgery and hormones given when it was seen to be the right thing to do. The law, if Maria Millar has her way, will change so that you can "identify" however you like and be legally recognised. That is so scary as it opens up all female space to males and we have sex segregated space for bloody good reasons. The ground has shifted underfoot and the changes will be enshrined in law before people realise what happened.

Groups of males and females in schools are transitioning together and it's the poor old lesbians being bullied to either accept female penises or transitioning themselves.

Trans men rarely make a fuss, they don't bully gay men into sex at all, they behave like, well women, wonder why that is...

Just watch the crime stats for females go up, who knew that a female could commit rape using a penis. Watch the Mercury music prize go to a tanswoman not a female, they're in the running though not sure how that panned out.

Transwomen can compete as females in sports now, some girls won't even bother taking part, what's the point.

I bet when someone is needed to cook, clean and care it will still be a vagina owner that does that job, either a female or a transman.

This sort of story makes me believe trans to be a psychological not a biological problem, so maybe those with such feelings may be better off being treated psychologically rather than seen as a medical problem and dished out with hormones, surgery etc. After which they may not be any happier, after all 50 years ago this would not have been an option.

db, that's my worry too. There is a mum on mumsnet who has a child who wishes to transition, they have been offered puberty blockers which the mum has refused. The stats show that 80% of kids will grow out of their disphoria. After the puberty blockers were refused all support has been withdrawn. Puberty blockers and a lifetime of surgery and medication are the preferred route even though we have no idea of the consequences these have on the body.

My daughter is often questioned if she is really a girl because she wears what she likes and plays with what she likes, no room for a tomboy any more, they must really be a boy. The blatant sexism and homophobia is what worries me, too many young lesbians transitioning to boys and feminine gay men trasnitioning to girls.

Then you have your late transitioners who become "lesbians" though they rarely date other transwomen, most odd.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/3032158/woman-appears-in-court-accused-of-two-counts-of-raping-a-manThis is a crime committed by a transwoman reported as female crime, in the papers today, apologies to The Sun link.

If anyone doesn't want to click it's a rape, which according to the 2003 sexual offences act is penetration by a penis without consent.

Crimewatch are also looking for Lisa Hauxwell andother rapist.

dbDB77, he's late 40's so not a young person. I agree with you. The potential for huge harm especially where there may be peer pressure, is unimaginable.

Nina says of her friend - "The strange thing is he/she has decided he's attracted to women. So he/she has gone from being a married man with children to a woman who is now attracted to other women.
Is he happy?
No, sadly not. His contentment levels are far less than they once were. In his own words he says he's climbed the mountain, got to the top and the view isn't what he thought it would be."
I think that is very sad - obviously a confused individual - and an adult. This makes me concerned for the young people - who have the usual teenage angst & confusion about themselves and their place in the world - being given transgender as an option - I think it is a very rare condition.

I tried identifying as a billionaire but the bank wasn't having a bar of it.

amoeba sounds good, safe.

I think I'll just become an amoeba and be done with it.

nina, your friend sounds so sad, what a shame. Is she getting support? A lot of people who transition have similar struggles, it's important that they have support post transition as transition is often not the solution to their problems.

Someone mentioned Danielle Muscato, this is her picture, as she is now.

nina, a lot of transwomen tell the world they are lesbians, then they bully and harass female lesbians into sleeping with them, telling them that they are bigots and transpobes for not considering them and their lady penises as sexual partners. There is even a name for it, the cotton ceiling which is a term for breaking into a lesbians underwear, grim.

This is a video where a transwoman explains that biology is a made up concept, it represents where trans theory is now, worth a watch, it explains why penises are female organs. Personally I think that's Very Silly but as we've seen Jenni has just had a warning and a huge media backlash because she has said that fact out loud.

It is up to people what they choose to believe but as laws are being changed (second reading of the Gender Recognition bill is in March) it's worth taking the time to look at how much the ground has shifted, what is happening around us.

Anker, I've been a mumsnetter for about 15 years and a gransnetter for about 4, I came over when the Mumsnet site crashed a few years ago and stuck around

Lucky Clarkson could write what he wanted for the ST without bring warned by the BBC because he's a dick with a dick and went to public school.