Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

'Because they know it teases' Rigby

Frodo, actually I dont think I choose to engage thank you.

I'm sure I have the same experience of transgender as they have of 'cis' gender. That would make us equal, no?

Frodo, why mention the word cis?

I can see the issue with terfs.
Mermaids on the other hand, at very short glance and face value, looked reasonable.

Rigby and Lynnie - I can see the issue with trans activists.

And speaking of hijacking Rigby...

Rigyby46, I am a cis female not afraid of sharing sacred space with others who collectively fight for the equality of all women.

Linnieg, Transgender women never ask to sit above. Your comments about years of male privilege show you have little understanding of the trans experience. For most trans women it's more akin to years of forced misgendering.

Feminism needs to stop failing trans women. I'm not sure how their exclusion improves our status as cis women or makes us collectively more free.

Don't get me started on Mermaids

Lynnie yes - I just couldn't be bothered to type out ' trans activisits' every time. They are trying to hijack the whole debate for nefarious reasons of their own - some of us believe that some of them have a very very sordid agenda as to why they support self-identification as a means of free access to women only spaces - and some of the most rabid still have penises - the weapon that has subjugated women forever. Conspiracy theorist? Moi?

Ankers, Google 'Mermaids' and 'Terfs'
I'm sure your pc will be safe.

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I think Rigby and myself are talking about TRAs. They are doing a lot of damage to transpeople who just want to quietly get on with their lives, like the lecturer I was dealing with last week who was thrilled with her new identity card. Not a cis word mentioned

Would someone like to say more about TAs?
I didnt want to google something which might corrupt my computer. Thanks.

Yes - I've tried to be very careful about that as it's the TAs who are making all the running and who as a group are very very mysogynist. They have some very radical views as well on children and transitioning - very scarey

Eh?

I think there may be a big difference between TAs and "ordinary" transwomen, and it is important to distinguish which group people are talking about?

Save a space on that horse please Rigby46.

And we hold on tight to what we 'perceive' is ours and ours alone because it's been fought for over many years. Yes transwomen are welcome to sit with us. But not above us because of their years of enjoying male privilege!

Oh you mean safe spaces?
I am beginning to see what a poster meant about JM being a special snowflake.
Only certain types of women can become transwomen dont you know!

Rigby46, I dont understand your last post at all.

janea fair enough, but you said about respecting other peoples' preference.
It is a term which means, "I am something, which you are not or will never be".
A bit like saying "I am rich" ie implying that you are not in a put down way.

If something is in the Oxofrd Dictionary, doesnt it just mean that the word exists?

Crikey! So many high horses out there!

Oh Ankers - think about the example JM gave about the transwoman vicar <sighs>

janea - couldn't agree less. It's seen by many many women as a very loaded term - There is a really really huge debate about the term. It's not at all like describing myself as heterosexual

How non loving and judgemental.

Why are they usurping. Are they not joining? Apparently not. Only a certain type of transwomen can join the female fraternity it seems. Get ready with the tick box.

Which safe spaces are you meaning?

Recognising the history of oppression of women by men has to be part of the trans women's recognition of boundaries on their part

No it doesnt. Ask most women, and I bet they dont recognise it either, nor care.

I dont understand your last sentence.